Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

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Ejmiatsin/Vagharshapat, an ancient Turkic name

Eçmiədzin toponiminin qədim türk dilində “Əcdad”, ”ata”, ”baba” mənasını verən “eçi” ( m- I şəxsin təkinə aid mənsubiyyət şəkilçisidir) və “çöl” mənasını verən “yazı” komponentlərindən ibarət olduğu ehtimal edilir. Yəni “Əcdadların çölü”, ”Əcdadların yurdu” Eçmiədzin sözünün “Üç müədzin” birləşməsindən əmələ gəldiyi ehtimalı da var. Bu ehtimal isə Üçkilsə variantı ilə bir növ təsdiq olunur.
http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eçmiədzin

In the toponym Echmiadzin, the word "echi" takes the meaning of "ancestor", "father", "dad", in the ancient Turkic language. It is also assumed that "yazı" [they probably mean the -iadzi- part] takes the meaning of "desert" [or "wilderness"]. In other words, "desert ancestors" or "land of ancestors." Another theory suggests that Echmiadzin derives from the word combination of the words "three müədzin" [in Turkish, three = üç] This also proves the Üçkilise option[in Turkish, kilise = church].

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I'm going to stop using the header "How to Debunk" because even considering that there is something worth debunking is giving too much credit to this abomination. "Desert ancestors"??? "Wilderness ancestors"??? I just can't get my head over how idiotic this "interpretation" is (and interpretation is a BIG complement I'm making here!). The nearest desert to Echmiadzin is miles away in another country, and the region has been inhabited for centuries, as the house of the Armenian apostolic church! It's not some nomadic settlement for there to be wilderness there! In any case, this DESPERATE attempt to explain the etymology of Echmiadzin is like trying to explain the etymology of Moscow by saying, "the first part, 'mos' derives from 'mosan,' a family of Amerindian languages spoken in Washington and British Columbia, while 'cow' derives from the edible bovine animal. In other words, it means, 'the land of mosan Amerindian cows'." Seriously, it's that farfetched!

I can buy some parts of the Üçkilise proposal, because at least that makes some sense. But it's beyond my understanding why they'd choose the former """interpretation""" over the latter as the "main" one! Secondly, Armenians have their own traditional explanation of it (search for the words "Miadzin descended" in this PDF by the OSCE, or check out this page on DiscoverArmenia). Why isn't this interpretation in their article? Weren't Azeris "the right ones who are objective"?

My favorite part in this article is, once again, the so-called name changes. Notice how we apparently changed the "ancient Turkic name" [Qədim türk adı] Üçkilsə to Vağarşapat, and then right after, we apparently changed the "ancient Turk name" Vağarşapat to Echmiadzin? Was the guy typing this in Wikipedia actually READING what he was writing? I have no other words. This is stupidity in its PUREST form. Also, as I already said in a previous post, Vaghashapat is the native name of the city, and that's the official name we use today. It's the oldest name used for the settlement, and it's an Armenian name.

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Tatev Monastery

Tatev monastırı - Qərbi Azərbaycanın (bu günkü Ermənistanın) Gorus rayonunun Tatev kəndi ərazisində yerləşir və 8 əsrdə tikildiyi güman edilən qədim alban məbədi [...].* Məbəd yaxın illərdə bərpa olunaraq erməniləşdirilmişdir.
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Image of Tatev
Tatev məbədinin erməniləşdirilməmişdən əvvəlki şəkili
http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatev_məbədi

Tatev Monastery - Located in Ancient Azerbaijan (today's Armenia), in the Gorus rayon, near the village of Tatev, is an Albanian temple supposedly built in the 8th century [...].* In recent years, the temple was Armenianized during restorations.
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Image of Tatev
The shape of the Tatev temple before being Armenianized.

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First, I'd like to comment on the fact that every single inch of land in Armenia is portrayed as "Ancient Azerbaijan" in all Azerbaijani Wikipedia articles. I'd like to invite them to look at some old maps from raremaps.com (In fact, I'd like to point out that raremaps.com has a specific section for "Armenia" in the menu for Asia, separate from "Middle East." This should be an indication to how intriguing and important Armenian history is).

Second, I'd like them to watch the video on the latest Tatev restorations by Euronews. The restorations under the USSR disappointed Armenians. "Armenianization" of this monument wasn't even thought of until Aliyev invented the concept of 'Armenianization' after the Karabakh war.

Third, I'd like them to read the history of Tatev here, here, search for it here, and here.

I wonder if there is one non-Azerbaijani source that will treat the Tatev monastery (or any monastery Armenians claim) as Albanian.

* I didn't translate this part because they basically talk about how rich Albanian culture is, and how significant Tatev is for Albanian traditions. In other words, it's insignificant.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

As long as they keep these things within their borders and do not attempt such stuff on the English Wikipedia, they are only hurting themselves.

It is already on the English-language Wikipedia - all the pages are linked to the equivalent English-language Wikipedia article, and gain status and an enhanced google ranking because of this.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

It is already on the English-language Wikipedia - all the pages are linked to the equivalent English-language Wikipedia article, and gain status and an enhanced google ranking because of this.

The law of unintended consequences.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

The law of unintended consequences.

It is intentional. All English-language wikipedia pages are linked to the equivalent foreign-langage Wikipedia articles. Removing the links will get you banned from editing Wikipedia. Probably the owners of Wikipedia see great wealth in the future when they get round to placing dedicated advertising on article pages - targeted advertising will be maximised if there are links between identical pages throughout Wikipedia (identical in title, not in content - which can contain any old lies). So, for example, the English-language entry on the Holocaust can be linked to a (say, Iranian Wikipedia) article that explains the Holocaust is a xxxish hoax.

[Hellektor]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Name Changes
from here
Gümrü -> Leninakan

This is as screwed up as it gets. The name was changed in Judeo-Bolshevik genocidal era to honor the genocidal ogre the Jew-Tatar Lenin, accomplice to the doenmeh-Jew genocidal bandit Kemal. It has been renamed and it's Gyumri now but these malevolent retards don't seem to have noticed or are deliberately throwing up anti-Armenian venom.

It's ancient name was Kumyri Կումայրի originated in the 7th century BC, 1700 years before the invasion of Turk pestilence. It’s thought to have been called after the Cimmerians who lived there. Of course, according to Turks these can also be turkified posthumously like all ancient peoples.

The Turk abomination originated in Mongolia, from a nomadic, bandit tribe called Tu-Kiu in Chinese, probably from Turkiut, I'll spare the details. It spread like cancer in the 6th century AD into Central Asia, destroying the indigenous Iranian peoples, the Turanians. Then the Turk atrocity broke into our side of the Caspian like a bubonic plague AFTER the 11th century AD, the first destructive manifestation of this calamity being in the form of the Oguz-Turkmen monstrosity known as Seljuks.

It's the nation-murdering, culture-destroying, intolerant Turk bestiality that has changed (and is still changing) all the place names where they set their filthy hoofs, so, bringing back some of these names is no crime and totally justified.

How do these fascist occupiers and offenders justify their desecration of the name of Mount Ararat, respected by hundreds of millions of carriers of Christian culture, into the vomit inducing, despicable, cacophonous Agri Dag in their primitive, backward, Ur(in)al-Altaic gibberish?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

It is intentional. All English-language wikipedia pages are linked to the equivalent foreign-langage Wikipedia articles. Removing the links will get you banned from editing Wikipedia. Probably the owners of Wikipedia see great wealth in the future when they get round to placing dedicated advertising on article pages - targeted advertising will be maximised if there are links between identical pages throughout Wikipedia (identical in title, not in content - which can contain any old lies). So, for example, the English-language entry on the Holocaust can be linked to a (say, Iranian Wikipedia) article that explains the Holocaust is a xxxish hoax.

And a photo of Wikipedia owner Jimmy Wales, the Joseph Goebbels of the 21st century, currently appears at the top of every page on the Azeri Wikipedia.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

The name was changed in Judeo-Bolshevik genocidal era to honor the genocidal ogre the Jew-Tatar Lenin, accomplice to the doenmeh-Jew genocidal bandit Kemal.

You have excelled yourself. A new high in low language!

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"Atropat Turks"

Bəzi müəlliflərin apardıqları araşdırmalar nəticəsində gəldikləri qənaətə görə, Atropatena əhalisinin böyük bir qismini aborigen türk tayfaları əsasında formalaşmış atropatenlilər təşkil edirdi və Atropatena tarixi Azərbaycan torpaqlarının bir hissəsində Azərbaycan türklərinin ulu əcdadları olan atropatenlilər tərəfindən yaradılmış bir dövlət olmaqla, nəhəng Midiya dövlətinin həm siyasi, həm də etnik varisidir.
http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropatena#.C6.8Fhalisi

As a result of research, some authors have come to the conclusion that a large portion of Atropatene's population were aboriginal Turkic tribes who formed the basis of the Atropats [Atropatenlilər] and as the great ancestors of Azerbaijani Turks from a portion of historical Azerbaijan, Atropatene, the Atropat [Turks] established the huge state of Media, of which they are the political and ethnic heirs.

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The Atropats were not Turks. They were a branched off part of Medes (Media Minor to be precise). They spoke a dialect of Pahlavi, which was itself, an Iranian dialect. There is no trace of a single Turkic people in the Middle East prior to the brief occupation of the Caucasus by the xxxish Khazar Turks from modern-day Russia (in other words, about 1000 years after the formation of Atropatene).

"Atropat Turks" (or their ancestors, not sure exactly what this text implies) did not establish Media. Atropatene was the result of Media being divided into two with the invasion of Iran by Alexander the Great.

I wonder if there is 1 non-Azerbaijani among those "authors" who have conducted this "research."

[Hellektor]

Re: "Atropat Turks"

[Atropatenlilər]

The genocidal Inhuman Civilization-deficiency Viruses think (as if they are capable of thinking) by adding an liler, li, kara, chai, kendi, toprak, dag, kala or the like to any name or word they can turkify it. On the other hand it's not surprising that these cultureless, primitive, cattle-herder, tent-dwelling destructive, harmful, atrocious savages will claim that any existing/dead/imaginary nation such as Sumerians, Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Arameans, Manni, Mittani, Arrata, Urartu, Hurrians, Hittites, Elamite, Medians, Achaemenids, Parthians, Scythians, Aluanians, Egyptians, Cimmerians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Etruscans, Lydians, Thracians, Phrygians, Greeks, Kurds, Eskimos, Native Americans, Incas, Aztecs, Mayas, Martians, Saturnans, Jupiterians, Dark Matterians, Residents of the Black Hole, Out of this Universians, and Heaven or the Devil knows what, are all Turks.

Funny thing is they do all this without the need to present a shred of evidence...