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  • #51
    Originally posted by kikki88
    Indo-European does NOT mean Asiatic & European languages combined, that's just not the correct way of classifying languages, linguistically speaking. In fact, in the science of Linguistics Asiatic is a completely different subgroup from Indo-European and includes language like Turkish etc. Furthermore, there is no Asian and European classification within the Indo-European subgroup. There are simply branches like Slavic, Germanic etc. It was earlier mentioned also that Armenian is a link between European and Asian, another unscientific subjective fact. Armenian has a branch of it's own and the only known languages in the branch are Dacian and Thracian, languages which are both extinct today. It is known that Armenian has many borrowed words from Persian and at one point linguists around the world classified Armenian as a dialect of Persian, however later it was scientifically proven that Armenian belongs to a distinct branch and furthermore based on this we can say that our linguistic ancestor came down to Anatolia from the Balkans (around Thrace). They assimilated with the local inhabitants who called themselves Hayasa (thus we call ourselves HYE) and the language of the Armens mixed with Hayasa language became our language. The beauty and sadness of this is that Armenians as a nation formed in Anatolia and continued living there for thousands and thousands of years only to be erased by Ottoman Turks in early 20th century.

    Actually ever since Armenians got conquered they have been borrowing words, read your history more carefully. Armenian is in a branch of its own but you cannot exactly prove that and just like any language, it belongs with a certain sect. IE languages are Asian and European languages because Sanskrit which comes from India is an Asian language. Yet it is considered an Indo-European language aka Aryan. Those were all misconceived facts that they said about Armenian being linked to another language. IF anything it is the other way around as many scholars as you said "later investigated" all of this spiel. My point is that either way, regardless of where you came from, you guys belong to that original Aryan sect.
    Last edited by IvyLipstick; 08-04-2004, 08:52 PM.
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    • #52
      PRECISELY kiki thank you. That was my point that I was alluding to earlier on. We are of European descent but like I said again, THAT of which you said now is simply a theory. No one is certain about your affinities.
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      • #53
        Originally posted by kikki88
        One of the best websited to read about the IE languages is here

        http://www.armenianhighland.com/home...onicle120.html
        No that is totally flawed and even that .com right away clues you into its not credible assertions. That website contradicts a lot of what regular teachers in Armenian schools teach. All of these that we speak of in detail ARE THEORIES. No one knows which one is correct but you are entitled to think that Armenians "settled into Asia minor from the Balkans" as well as "Armenians are the Hayasa tribe" as well as the other theories about 'Hayk and Bell' and even Noah's son being our forefather, biblically speaking. Either one is pretty valid.
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        • #54
          Does anyone honestly know what language or type of group are these "hayasa" people: I mean are they Aryan or Semitic?
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          • #55
            Originally posted by IvyLipstick
            No that is totally flawed and even that .com right away clues you into its not credible assertions. That website contradicts a lot of what regular teachers in Armenian schools teach. All of these that we speak of in detail ARE THEORIES. No one knows which one is correct but you are entitled to think that Armenians "settled into Asia minor from the Balkans" as well as "Armenians are the Hayasa tribe" as well as the other theories about 'Hayk and Bell' and even Noah's son being our forefather, biblically speaking. Either one is pretty valid.

            The article which I used to write my piece was written by Thomas V. Gamkrelidze and V. V. Ivanov and published in Scientific American, March 1990, p.110. If you're doing any kind of university level research let's say on the subject of the Armenian language as an Indo-European language, you can quote these guys who are linguists/scientists, so it's hard to completely invalidate them. Having said that, you are right, a lot of what linguists are putting out there are merely theories some of which change over time or get more validasized (sorry I made up a word there

            I dont' have much background about the Aryans, except that they either came out of India went through Iran and Armenia or the other way around
            went to India through Armenia and Iran. Not sure what "original Aryan" means?
            As far as the biblical intrepretations, I am very skeptical about those

            From what I know, the Hayasa came from Assyrians but have to look up that one. In any case I believe Armenians are amalgam of many people and tribes because of the geographic location of the nation and the numerous invasions etc. Just like many other tribes have Armenian genes, the modern DNA technology shows this. We all are one happy people!

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            • #56
              Originally posted by kikki88
              validasized (sorry I made up a word there)
              "Validated" would do the trick.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by kikki88
                The article which I used to write my piece was written by Thomas V. Gamkrelidze and V. V. Ivanov and published in Scientific American, March 1990, p.110. If you're doing any kind of university level research let's say on the subject of the Armenian language as an Indo-European language, you can quote these guys who are linguists/scientists, so it's hard to completely invalidate them. Having said that, you are right, a lot of what linguists are putting out there are merely theories some of which change over time or get more validasized (sorry I made up a word there

                I dont' have much background about the Aryans, except that they either came out of India went through Iran and Armenia or the other way around
                went to India through Armenia and Iran. Not sure what "original Aryan" means?
                As far as the biblical intrepretations, I am very skeptical about those

                From what I know, the Hayasa came from Assyrians but have to look up that one. In any case I believe Armenians are amalgam of many people and tribes because of the geographic location of the nation and the numerous invasions etc. Just like many other tribes have Armenian genes, the modern DNA technology shows this. We all are one happy people!

                Look no one knows for sure. Just because you looked up a few interested linguists it still does not indicate that that piece of information is valid and final. There are LOTS of theories and very quotable ones from everywhere. What is your point?
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                • #58
                  Oh please here we go again:
                  "From what I know, the Hayasa came from Assyrians but have to look up that one. In any case I believe Armenians are amalgam of many people and tribes because of the geographic location of the nation and the numerous invasions etc."


                  WHERE do you draw that conclusion? You seem like you have to look up more than that. Armenians are original of and within themselves. THE PEOPLE yes have gotten mixed over the years with various people, hence the dark skin and complexion on some. That suggests that there was either an Arab or a Persian invasion. But then again every culture had that. No one is "pure."
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                  • #59
                    Look, the source of Aryans= Armenia. That region many evidence points to that. They settled on the left to Asia minor, Greece and Italy and on the right they settled in India and Iran.
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                    • #60
                      If Hayasa= Assyrians and ARmenians come from Hayasa then that means logically speaking Armenians= Assyrians.

                      And no given person with a heart of knowledge or scholar will say that ever because Armenians and Assyrians are totally different types of people who YES they had contact. Assyrians are Semitic and Armenians are not. Therefore, that theory alone can be discarded as invalid.
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