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  • #41
    Originally posted by TigranJamharian
    you are an idiot. no facts? what the hell are you talking about? 301 ad is almost universally accepted as the date by both Armenians and non Armenians and still you jabber on bringing up obscure crap.
    You will not find a single expert, Armenian or non-Armenian, who will support the 301AD date.
    Plenipotentiary meow!

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    • #42
      Originally posted by CatWoman
      You're not even Armenian, so I'm sorry but you can't possibly know more about us that we do.
      Yeh, everything you need to know about Armenia is already encoded in your genes. So you don't actually need to learn anything.
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      • #43
        Originally posted by Yeznik
        bell-the-cat, first you say that you don't believe in the Armenian sources, then you quote one, which makes your statement very hypocritical. Second you are basing the events on the Latin calender, I am pretty sure that the Armenians used the Armenian calander. Thirdly, and again, since the Catholic Church states that the war took place at 311 against the Church of Armenia (meaning the national church), I am going to take the Catholic Churches statement against an INDIVIDUAL conclusion. BTW, I provided you with a non-Armenian source regarding the conversion date and you still refuse to accept it.
        The "Armenian calendar" starts at year 1, the year when Trdat was converted - so it is irrelevant when considering the date of that conversion. The "Catholic Church" wouild have said nothing at all about the conversion - it didn't exist at the time!

        However, there is no point in pursuing this. It's pretty obvious to me now that this is not the place to have any sort of intellectual conversation. This is just a place full of Redneck Armenians, or whatever the actual term for them is (I'm sure there is one!) with all the knowledge of Armenian history that their granny or priest engrained into them, and nothing more. Live under your rock of ignorance if you want to - but just be aware that there is a real world out there.
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        • #44
          Originally posted by bell-the-cat
          The "Armenian calendar" starts at year 1, the year when Trdat was converted - so it is irrelevant when considering the date of that conversion. The "Catholic Church" wouild have said nothing at all about the conversion - it didn't exist at the time!

          However, there is no point in pursuing this. It's pretty obvious to me now that this is not the place to have any sort of intellectual conversation. This is just a place full of Redneck Armenians, or whatever the actual term for them is (I'm sure there is one!) with all the knowledge of Armenian history that their granny or priest engrained into them, and nothing more. Live under your rock of ignorance if you want to - but just be aware that there is a real world out there.
          Everyone is pretensious on this here internet. I do not see your position any more holier than the other pretenders on this thread. You people are all whining over an interweb discussion about some meaningless dates that really don't make or break history, but only add to its dryness. It would be fair to say, due to the conflicting sources that the conversion took place somewhere between 301 and 314 AD. Sometimes, solutions are easier than previously thought.
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          • #45
            Originally posted by bell-the-cat
            However, there is no point in pursuing this. It's pretty obvious to me now that this is not the place to have any sort of intellectual conversation. This is just a place full of Redneck Armenians, or whatever the actual term for them is (I'm sure there is one!) with all the knowledge of Armenian history that their granny or priest engrained into them, and nothing more. Live under your rock of ignorance if you want to - but just be aware that there is a real world out there.
            Honey we're discussing history not science!! Plus, I trust my people (your terminology: granny/priest) to know my history better than any other. Unlike your granny, mine actually reads... so don't stereotype grannies based on your own. Not to mention all those history text books that I've read. Be aware of the real world? lol OKAY!! I don't know about you, but the real world has been nothing but good to me! =)

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            • #46
              Originally posted by CatWoman
              Honey we're discussing history not science!! Plus, I trust my people (your terminology: granny/priest) to know my history better than any other. Unlike your granny, mine actually reads... so don't stereotype grannies based on your own. Not to mention all those history text books that I've read. Be aware of the real world? lol OKAY!! I don't know about you, but the real world has been nothing but good to me! =)
              The real world has sucked for me and led me into a life of constant sexual escapism. Woe is me...
              "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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              • #47
                Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
                The real world has sucked for me and led me into a life of constant sexual escapism. Woe is me...
                Wow, a non-topical post. Post whorre much?
                Achkerov kute.

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                • #48
                  Says the man... ugh, mouse... ugh, retarded lady with 10,158 posts of her own.

                  But to answer your question.. yes, the biggest one around.
                  "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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                  • #49
                    Steve: First of all, since it was your reply to my post that started this all, I wanted to clarify something. My remark to the statement from the link had nothing to do with my stance on 301 AD. I was merely asking why, if the author was trying to imply the conversion was for political reasons, and not genuine faith, would we have done it "more then a decade" before it was tolerated?

                    Now.....I've read through the articles you've presented/posted, and I don't see how any of it definitively disperses the 301 "myth", as you put it. All I see are speculations on all ends. This neither proves, nor disproves the 301 AD hallmark, as your findings can be just as much a myth. I do have one question, though. If no single expert, Armenian or non-Armenian, will support the 301AD date, how did it come to be? Why is it the readily accepted date? Did Armenians just kinda' say "hey, we converted to Christianity in 301", and everyone just....sorta' believed them? I'm not asking to make a point, but rather I just want to know how this transpired.


                    Originally posted by CatWoman
                    Bell-the-cat, why are you arguing about our history? 301AD is a fact and everyone knows it. Don't be silly. You're not even Armenian, so I'm sorry but you can't possibly know more about us that we do.
                    This as an absolutely ridiculous argument. Being Armenian has NOTHING to do with knowing Armenian history. A good portion of South Cali Armenians are proof of this.

                    Originally posted by Anonymouse
                    Everyone is pretensious on this here internet. I do not see your position any more holier than the other pretenders on this thread. You people are all whining over an interweb discussion about some meaningless dates that really don't make or break history, but only add to its dryness. It would be fair to say, due to the conflicting sources that the conversion took place somewhere between 301 and 314 AD. Sometimes, solutions are easier than previously thought.
                    While I agree with the last sentence, the beginning of your post goes against your own tendencies, as well as the entire point of the internet. By your definition (calling this thread meaningless), any discussion can basically be considered meaningless whining on the net. If that's the case, why do you post at all? It's a discussion, not whining (ok....some on here are whining), and new ideas/revelations are not born without discussion.

                    With that being said, I agree, the best way to put it is somewhere from 301 to 314 AD, and even that may not be true. But that's the point of a discussion. We'll never know anything concretely, but by exchanging ideas/knowledge, we can achieve a new/different vantage point.

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                    • #50
                      actually its imporatant to remember that amenians didnt accept the universal calendar till some time passed. the method counting years was invented by a monk in 6th century, befoe that people used the old method starting from emperors birth, or something like that.
                      and the gregorian calendar was accepted in 1917 after the commies took over. Phasen sehnen sich die Revolution!. down with the monarcy. its interesting to see the parallels between the "founding fathers" and the old revolution and lenin and the "new" revolution. goddam commies, thell be back again.

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