Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

When we refer to Meds, we refer to Mediterraneans, not Medeans. We speak of the phenotype.

I thought it was the Kurds who claimed to be descendants of the Medeans.

Also, in early medieval Armenian, the word Mar (i.e Medes) referred to Kurds. Real Medes/Medeans were long extinct by then. Maybe that is where the Kurds got their claim to be the descendants of the Medeans.

[jgk3]

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Anyhow, hope this helped with your quest of the origin of your people.

What books are you basing your ideas on? Sorry to break it to you, but I'm not really fond of this inferiority complex in people who look back to the days they were blond aryans, but now complain about how they were "raped". I don't think this explains anything about history or linguistics.

We did not migrate from any were know by the history we stayed in the place were Noah's ark first touched the ground.
We are the people that lived in mountain areas of Ararat,we were not raped we being conquered.

Though our hurro-urartian element was there at least a few thousand years before the indo-european element, the question remains: "How, when and from where did the Indo-European element of Armenians reach Armenia?"

I now consider the out of Armenia hypothesis a lazy answer, because it doesn't want to deal with the histories of any of the other branches of Indo-European except Armenian, who's linguist artifacts show up quite late in history and CANNOT be applied singlehandedly to trying to understand the nature and origins of PIE.

What is not bogus is when we try to explain our Hurro-Urartian past to a world that doesn't believe we are heirs to much of their culture, but one must take care not to converge Hurro-Urartians with Indo-Europeans proper.

[UrMistake]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

We did not migrate from any were know by the history we stayed in the place were Noah's ark first touched the ground.
We are the people that lived in mountain areas of Ararat,we were not raped we being conquered.

[Army]

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You've just shortened a history of thousands years to 'raping'.

I think marriages were far more often than 'raping' issues. Rapers also are murderers. Armenians would not exist today if all non-Aryan relationships were results of rapes.

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The Persian people (Iranians) originated from Uzbekistan and Khazakistan (former Soviet Union)....thousands of years B.C.
Becuase of the Ice Age and the cold climate they migrated further south and they were the first settlers of Sourth Western Iran....next door to them (their neighbours) were semitic arabs. The ARMENIANS (Armani) were the same people as them(the same that came form Russia) but they stayed in the are we now call Armenia and the rest migrated further south (we now call that Iran).
Yes the Armenians and Perisans were Light in phenotype when they first migrated from Russia(and many still are)...but over thousands of years of living further south and having other "races" mix with them they have changed a bit of their phenotype.
Armenians were raped by the turks and intermarried others who were for example Assyrian or Lebanese (eventhough they are not Aryan)...but they would marry them cause they are christian.
Persians(Iranians) on the other hand didn't care so much what the persons religion was ...as long as they were Aryan they wouldn't mind marrying them.
However the Persians had the Mongol invasion (they raped and killed many) and intermingled with the population and they also had the Arab invasion (they raped and mixed with some persians, specially from the South)....because of this Arab invasion they are now a muslim country....plus all their neighbours are pretty much arabs and muslims so it was also a survival mechanism I am sure. Also don't forget that way back in history, even back in russia the eastern people(asians) had mixed with the white westerners(russians) and that is why there is a term called "EurAsian".
Anyhow, hope this helped with your quest of the origin of your people.

[jgk3]

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When we refer to Meds, we refer to Mediterraneans, not Medeans. We speak of the phenotype.

[TomServo]

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I thought it was the Kurds who claimed to be descendants of the Medeans.

[ARK]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

The Medes are actually the ancient Iranians who lived mainly in the north of Persia, a region which is populated by azeris these days and according to some historians the so called Iranian azeris are in fact the ancient medes who have been turkified during centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes

[jgk3]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

Well, from the sources I read, I saw that Armenoids are merely darker Dinarics. In any case, I see Alpine features very often in Armenians too, so I don't care to resort to the idea we're all Armenoid either.

Besides, Skhara's post here suggests that Dinaricism occurs by blending Alpines with longer face types.
In the Armenian populace, we have a fair share of short face types and long face types.

I'm not perfect at defining all the phenotypes when I see them. for example, what category does a compact yet squarish face fall into, with a long, straight nose and long narrow nostrils, and a large round chin easily defined from the rest of the face?

[TomServo]

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nice site, the tree of Indo-European languages is impressive.

As far as the Indo-European connection, I heard that Armenoids had originally come down to Armenia from the north several millenia BC. And originally they were blue eyed and lighter skinned. This of course changed with time. I had a hard time believeing this, but it's interesting to note that Hayk is actually blue eyed and blond. I know he's a mythical hero, but still, it's like there was a memory in our ancestors' minds of being lighter.

My understanding is that "Armenoids" are more olive-skinned and have large noses.

Not all Armenians are Armenoids. I remember when I was at Lake Sevan I bought a bottle of water from a boy who had dirty blonde hair and hazel eyes. His grandfather (who was with him), however, looked more "Armenoid." Maybe his mother was a Molokan or something. Maybe she was a Subbotnik Hrya?