armenia of 1918 and the Bolshoves

[arabico]

The bolsheves confirmed the ceding of Kars by the treaty of Kars in 1921.They also gave nakhichevan and karapakh to azeris. All, in all the size of Armenia was reduced trice!


If the bolshevic revolution didn't happen, I think Russia woul've continued its campaign against ottoman turkey and the Armenian border would've been much larger.

[ace]

If the bolshevic revolution didn't happen, I think Russia woul've continued its campaign against ottoman turkey.

No, they would've just gotten their ass kicked more.

If they did win though they would've still conquered Armenia, they HAD conquered all of it anyway. But yes, that was xxxx of them to give the land to the east to those damn Azeris.

[bell-the-cat]

I've been researching on this subject for the last 3-4 hours and I came to a different conclusion.

during 1914-1916 tzarist Russia was on the offensive against ottoman turkey. They captured many regions like kars, erzerum, van...

When the Bolshevic revolution happened in Russia 1917, Russia withdrew leaving the Armenian alone to protect themselves.

The Armenians did well fighting the Turks alone keeping many regions like kars until 1920 when the Bolshoves came to Armenia. In 1921 they gave up Kars to Turkey without a fight!!

Your researching skills suck. All of the above are false.

[arabico]

Your researching skills suck. All of the above are false.

and I think you are a brainwashed communist. If you can't correct me you better not post at all.

[TomServo]

It was pretty big in 1918, but did it have access to the sea?

[Կարմիր Բ]

It was pretty big in 1918, but did it have access to the sea?

No. The orange part was Armenia back then, if i am not mistaken.

Map

[arabico]

Here is a better map:

http://ho5t.us/show.php?locm=cc2a4e1c94.jpg

[Կարմիր Բ]

Without access to the sea, things will be very difficult. We are landlocked and surrounded by hostile nations. We must open a route to the Black Sea through Georgia when the time is correct. Georgia is boiling.

[TJ]

that is the easiest option to get to the black sea, but frankly i dont see it happening, especialy with the BP pipeline running through any route that would take us to the sea.

[Che_Ka]

Wow, looking at that map, I thought 2 things.

1) How great would it have been if the Treaty of Sevres borders were realized. Armenia would not be landlocked, and would have maintained a small portion of Western Armenia, Vana Lij, and Mt. Ararat.

2) Then I thought, since most Western Armenians had died or were on the way to forming the diaspora, who would have lived in the western portion of the Armenian Republic? Who lived there in 1920? Turks, Kurds, and Hamshens? Would Armenia have been a multi-cultural republic? Would those Turks and Kurds be speaking Armenian today as their state language?

I probably have it all wrong. But it was something that sparked my interest.