Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

Ok now that you have explained your view in greater detail, I can tell you that we share essentially the same opinion. I was just irked when you claimed that Urartians were true Armenians, that is all. Geographically, I suppose there is nothing wrong with that statement though.

Just one thing: What do you mean by Herodotus' history being laced with outlandish Hellenic fantasies? I've never read his story in full, just the parts that had to do with Armenians.

[karoaper]

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I'd recommend the following from Wikipedia (I don't assume that Wiki is a definitive infosourse, but a well cited Wiki page can be of great use, if only to track down more sources): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urartu.

I also found a link to the following paper from the Journal of American Oriental Society. I don't have a subscription, but it could be a useful source:

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0003-0279%28198510%2F12%29105%3A4%3C597%3AHBIOA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-K&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage

[Armenian]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

I can tell you that we share essentially the same opinion. I was just irked when you claimed that Urartians were true Armenians, that is all. Geographically, I suppose there is nothing wrong with that statement though.

You still have not gotten the essence of my statements regarding Urartu.

The Araratian Federation which was known as "Urartu/Biainili" was comprised of various nations living around lake Van that eventually fused/evolved to become what we today know as Armenians/Hays. The fact remains, there are intimate mythological, linguistic, genetic and folkloric connections between modern Armenian heritage and the ancient culture of Urartu. The language spoken by official Urartu is said to have been late Hurrian, and suspected of being a dying language at the time. However, the population of Urartu is speculated to have spoken early Armenian, one that incorporated heavy Urartian/Hurrian influences into its Indo-European/Aryan structure. As the Hurrian language stopped being used, the language we today know as "Armenian" emerged. Also, the term "Hay" is linguistically connected to the Urartian/Hurrian supreme God called Khaldi.

Thus, the Urartians/Hurrians were in every sense of the word - Hay/Armenian.

Just get the notion of "Armens" somehow marching into Anatolia from the Balkans and taking over the former lands of Urartu out of your head. That story is a myth, no such thing happened. The Indo-European/Aryan language spoken by some proto-Armenian nations was indigenous to the region in question, it did not come from elsewhere.

Just one thing: What do you mean by Herodotus' history being laced with outlandish Hellenic fantasies? I've never read his story in full, just the parts that had to do with Armenians.

Just read his works in detail and you will see what I'm saying. Don't forget, you are talking about a man that lived approximately two thousand five hundred years ago. However, in the absence of other contemporary texts Herodotus is the best we got.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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You are sounding exactly like the historical revisionist ultra-nationalistic Turks that you criticize.

That's because he is an ultra-nationalist.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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Just curious, but, which would you guys say is older (if it's even possible to assume or even guess): Armenians, Greeks, Romans, or Persians? Again, just curious.

None. Modern Armenians are a mix of people, the language is different than what the ancient Armenians used. If you went back in the Armenian Plateau 2500 years ago you wouldn't be able to communicate with them. The same applies to the Greeks and the Persians. Generally there was no such thing as ethnic consciousness up until the 19th century.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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And of course we have nothing to do with the Urartians, except a couple of words such as ''artziv''.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

And of course we have nothing to do with the Urartians, except a couple of words such as ''artziv''.

how can you say this they where our ancestors if we don't have anything to do with them where do we come from, has god drop us there . stop telling people Comunistic propaganda that all men are the same and there is no diffrence between them

[Lucin]

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And of course we have nothing to do with the Urartians,.

Who’s ‘we’ Bolshevik!? Maybe you and your Bolshevik brethren, but then Armenians have got nothing to do with Bolsheviks.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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how can you say this they where our ancestors if we don't have anything to do with them where do we come from, has god drop us there . stop telling people Comunistic propaganda that all men are the same and there is no diffrence between them

I didn't said that all men are the ''same'' that's what you understood. I said a simple thing: anyone who claims that we are the same people, after all these migrations, to the first armenians who came in the armenian plateau is unable of coherent thought.

And the Urartians have nothing to do with us son. If you tell to any real historian that the Urartians were Armenians he will fall down laughing and you will make us seem idiots.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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Who’s ‘we’ Bolshevik!? Maybe you and your Bolshevik brethren, but then Armenians have got nothing to do with Bolsheviks.

We are Armenians. You are the enemy of the people who got booted real good by Armenia in 1922, traitor.