Hitler's plan to invade Turkey...

[ArmenianKid]

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When you grow up and decide to seriously study the various military aspects of the Second World War, you will see that in reality it was the so-called Red Army that got "gangbanged" by the German Whermacht from the opening stages of the war in 1941 even to the end in 1945.

Germany lost due to bad poilitcs, nothing else.

Also a string of defeats in the western front. No oil, steel, or iron for the weapons they were trying to build. The weapons they did get out to the field were very flawed (read into the king tiger).

The germans were a powerful force but when the US, Britian, USSR plus the number of anti-german insurgencys going on, good politics or not. They were screwed.

[Armenian]

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Also a string of defeats in the western front. No oil, steel, or iron for the weapons they were trying to build. The weapons they did get out to the field were very flawed (read into the king tiger). The germans were a powerful force but when the US, Britian, USSR plus the number of anti-german insurgencys going on, good politics or not. They were screwed.

Well, let's not kid ourselves, Germans could have easily defeated the combined forces of America, England and Russia had they been a little more careful of their 'geopolitical' formulation.

The Third Reich 'greatest' mistake was looking upon the Slavic populations of the Soviet Union as subhuman and thus mistreating them. Had Germans treated the Slavs with dignity and respect, I think we all would be speaking German right now.

Militarily, Germans never took the forces of England and America seriously, because American and English combat forces were terribly ineffective throughout the war. Germans lost North Africa, southern Italy and the Normandy coast, due to the choronic shortage of troops, natural resources and the massive 'biblical' intensitiy of the conflict on Eastern front. When the Allies landed on the Normandy coast, Germans had a tiny force to meet them. Germans always had a tiny forces against the Americans and the English throughout the war, and they still managed to bring havoc upon Allied forces.

Man for man, platoon for platoon, regiment for regiment, division for division, Allied troops were pathetic against German soldiers. My deepest respect for the German Front Soldaten, Submarine crews, Panzer crews, and Luftwaffe pilots, perhaps the finest in modern history. As such, my deepest respect for German officers of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht: Manstein, Rommel, Model, Kesselring, Guderian, Kleist, etc.

Let's not foget who writes history (Jooz ). Who says German soldiers didn't cry for their mothers: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ammstein&hl=en

[skhara]

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Well, let's not kid ourselves, Germans could have easily defeated the combined forces of America, England and Russia had they been a little more careful of their 'geopolitical' formulation.

You kind of contradict yourself in your explanations to that comment. You explained why they didn't.

Hitler screwed up majorly in attacking the SU when and how he did.

I've heard now, oh but he didn't Stalin would have attacked. My question is, "so what"? How would Stalin ever had broke through healthy German lines?

My grandfather I think had his most traumatizing experience in Finland, not even when the war with Germans started -- the Finns absolutely decimated the first wave of the invasion force.

[Armenian]

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You kind of contradict yourself in your explanations to that comment. You explained why they didn't.

You kind of not reading what I wrote, Skhara.

Germans were superior 'tactically' to any of the Allied forces, even when they were combined. Obviously, Hitler, along with several other party operatives in the Third Reich, made some grave strategic mistakes. Thus, Germans lost the war 'not' due to their inability to sucessfully perform large scale military operation, but because of the bad decision making. Having said that, I must point out that today there are historians who think that Hitler had no choice but to attack the Soviet Union. You must understand that durign the 30s Western Europe was very scared and paranoid of a potential Soviet thrust westward.

Nonetheless, even with the Germans prempting the Soviets, the Germans would have won on the eastern front had they attempted to 'embrace' the Slavic population there instead of oppressing them.

[skhara]

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Nonetheless, even with the Germans prempting the Soviets, the Germans would have won on the eastern front had they attempted to 'embrace' the Slavic population there instead of oppressing them.

Possibly. But as they say, its all history. We don't really know. Poland was definitely an enemy of the Reich. Ukrainians at first welcomed the German troops. Russians always resisted. Anyway, they should have properly played the Ukes, Poles, and Russians off against each other. There was plenty of historic hatereds, animosity, chauvanism, etc..., to have acheived it. Instead they just treated them all like crap where they united against a greater 'evil'.

[skhara]

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I think under the circumstances, I would have concentrated on suffocating Britain.

Continue with relentless bombardment of the military industrial complex
focus the forces on Gibraltar and the Suez. Geograpy and numbers are in German favour. Then, move in on Cyprus, and have the Meditrranean wrapped up cutting Britain from her colonies and increasing oil supply. A war of attricion would not be in Britains favour. If Germans put some effort into the navy, they could have surpassed the Brits. I think the Soviet Union could have been discouraged from attacking through the tactical supperiority of the German forces. Especially if they set themselves up in a defensive perimeter.

[Vagharshapat]

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Germany was the natural and historic allies of Turkey. Hitler was an admirer of Ataturk. He was taking the Armenian Genocide as a pattern for the Jevish genocide. He sent a German troop for Ataturk's funeral. I have the photos of German soldiers marching in Ataturk's funeral. Hitler had invited Turkey to enter the war on their side, but prime minister Inonu had refused it.

In the wartime Turkish people were mainly supporting Germany because they were fighting against the communist Russia. At that time the biggest threat for Turkey was communism and Stalin.

But infact Turkey was acting political and calculating the outcomes. They were playing both sides. In fact their policy was "dog eat dog, let's not bother." But it may be possible that Hitler had then planned to invade Turkey after the decline of his proposal to Turkey because I know that there were defensive preparations in Thracia for this invasion, you can still see the machine gun trenchs which were prepared at that time.

There is a saying in Turkey; "The man who falls into the sea can even grab a snake to save himself." That is what some Armenians do. It is odd to hope for the help of a fascist criminal like Hitler. I am glad he wasn't successful. If he was, then the world would be literally a hell now.

Armenians' mistake has been to trust some imperialist forces to save themselves. It has always resulted with frustration. The French let them down, the Russians let them down, the Americans let them down. Probably the germans would do the same thing. You must understand this; the imperialist countries always pursue their interests, they don't care about others. So you have to be strong...

[Gazan]

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Armenians have absolutely no business with the neo-nazis.

I'm disgusted with those Armenians who go to sites like stormfront and lick the neo-nazis' arses.

Wake-up to yourselfs and at least have some dignity. And if you are really as tough and commited as you say you are then join a REAL Armenian organisation that is dedicated to serve our people and punish the low-life turks.

[TomServo]

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Armenians have absolutely no business with the neo-nazis.

I'm disgusted with those Armenians who go to sites like stormfront and lick the neo-nazis' arses.

Wake-up to yourselfs and at least have some dignity. And if you are really as tough and commited as you say you are then join a REAL Armenian organisation that is dedicated to serve our people and punish the low-life turks.

You championed [Armenian] communism in one thread and called for the execution of all Turks in another. Now you express your hatred for Neo Nazis. Are you a communist or a national socialist then?

[Gazan]

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You championed [Armenian] communism in one thread and called for the execution of all Turks in another. Now you express your hatred for Neo Nazis. Are you a communist or a national socialist then?

Let's get things straight.

I have a deep respect for those Armenians (who happened to be communists since that was the only way to get anywhere) under whos leadership the Armenia we all know was created.

I have always called for the destruction of turkey and murder of turks. And I will always continue to do so and most importantly I will work towards achieving these goals.

I don't hate neo-nazis because they are an absolute useless movement which does not hold and never will hold any power anywhere in the world. The real nazis of the third reich had a chance but they stuffed it up big time and are gone forever into the anals of history. Right now any Armenian talking to them is wasting his time and should ditch them. As for those Armenians who consider themselfs neo-nazis then they are simply idiots, who better wake-up to themselfs.

I'm an Armenian Nationalist.