Political prisoners in Armenia

[Yedtarts]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I will answer to this one:

Originally Posted by Tongue
Our ancient lands in Turkey were not necessarily our hayrenik, hardly any Armenian resides in them,

Maybe it's not yours but it is mine for sure, and it's the Hayrenik of thousands and thousands of Armenians like me because my grandfather was born there and my grand grandfathers were born and buried there so were their grad grandfathers.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

What was sold (betrayed ) was our right to our claim of our forefathers land. These are not our ancient lands but our historic lands.



You seem to lack basic knownedge of our history and some basic logic.




Its not a dream but our faith that one day these lands would be returned to us.



We do not have Karabagh. Nobody recognizes it as ours, not even Armenia.
Listen to the words of our beloved president. He calls it "a process", "the solution" but never "its ours".
More ominously the signed document arguably makes it more difficult to call it ours.

Thank you for answering to Tongue's comments, I guess they were addressed to me? How come I don't see it, where did it go?

[Yedtarts]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I understand the concern that some in the Diaspora have about 'losing' lands and such, what ticks me off though is when it's Diaspora Armenians who have the financial ability to visit Armenia or move there yet have done neither, complaining that we are giving our lands away.

What have you done for Armenia, or yet how many time you have visited?

For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.

When gangsters and crooks rule our country it is our sacred duty to make sure that these criminals are out and not able to take decisions which will affect every Armenian, be it in Armenia or in Diaspora. These criminals who pocket millions of $$$ and gamble it away in places such as Monte Carlo, which some of it are donations from Diaspora Armenians to make Armenia a better place for all Armenians.

Putting our heroes in prison is not placing our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations

[jgk3]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Gavur and Haykakan, stop with the insults. I don't care who started it. You each have your own reasons for keeping to your position, so leave it at that.

[Armanen]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

I understand the concern that some in the Diaspora have about 'losing' lands and such, what ticks me off though is when it's Diaspora Armenians who have the financial ability to visit Armenia or move there yet have done neither, complaining that we are giving our lands away.

[Haykakan]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Hmm we have armenians living there, we control the security,economy,borders, it is linked to Armenia=yup we got kharabagh today i would say. Nothing was sold and no one was betrayed.

[londontsi]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

No one sold your hayrenik by recognizing the border with Turkey..

What was sold (betrayed ) was our right to our claim of our forefathers land. These are not our ancient lands but our historic lands.

Our ancient lands in Turkey were not necessarily our hayrenik, hardly any Armenian resides in them,

You seem to lack basic knownedge of our history and some basic logic.

and taking them back from Turkey is just a beautiful dream..

Its not a dream but our faith that one day these lands would be returned to us.

We have Armenia and Karabagh,

We do not have Karabagh. Nobody recognizes it as ours, not even Armenia.
Listen to the words of our beloved president. He calls it "a process", "the solution" but never "its ours".
More ominously the signed document arguably makes it more difficult to call it ours.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Something fishy is going on in Armenia. The same thing happened to Dr. Stepan Gevorgyan (Styopik) a surgeon in the Army’s medical hospital. He is now in the KGB jail in Yerevan. This man has fought for the liberation of Artsakh with the Suicide Squad, and he is decorated as a Hero with so many medals, the last one was lately, the Eagle medal, he was in jail when he received it.
It has been almost a year since they’ve put him in jail on false charges. In court they have proved his innocence so many times but the judge keeps postponing the case without giving a logical reasons.

R.I.P. Avo jan!

We have heroes like Avo, who gave the ultimate gift and dedicated their lives to our fatherland; on the other hand we have cowards who shoot heroes in their backs and sell our fatherland in the flea market.

Another Artsakh hero is Dr. Stepan Gevorgyan, they’ve just sentenced him for 7 years in prison on a falls charges.

It’s Serge Sarkisyan and his gang; they’ve made him the scapegoat of their corruptions.

Don’t want to turn this thread about him. Just small and short information about him, the name is Dr. Stepan Gevorgyan (AKA “Styopik”) he was a surgeon in Erebuni military hospital in Yerevan. They showed him on TV taking a bribe and humiliated him. But it was proven in court that; he had received a phone call from his superior and was ordered to accept the bribe, the bribe was't for him it was for his boss, this event was all staged. This was all proven in the court. He was sentenced June 9th 2009,for 7 years in prison, this after they’ve held him for almost 1 year in the KGB’s prison without any judgement. “Styopik” has just received the Eagle medal from Artsakh(One of the highest Hero medals) while he was in jail. By the way this is a Yerevantsi guy went and fought with the “Suicide commandos” (Mahabardneri Jokat) for the liberation of Artsakh, he has participated in the liberation of Shoushi.

Anoush jan thank you for the concern!

I know this man in person and he’s an angel.

He was the scapegoat for all the high rankers and Serge’s anti corruption policy. I think all this was done to few people, just to show The Eurobank and the Worldbank that they are seriously fighting the corruption so they can get more grants, the more grants they get the more money they can pocket. His boss was transferred to another high ranked position just before the kaka hit the fan.

Now I can understand what was going on when they’ve put all these heroes in prison, these M/Fs were planning on selling off our Hayrenik, Shame on them especially shame on the Catholicos Karekin II, an unholy man in a very holy place.

[londontsi]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Hello Londontsi

Although the masses will always demand greater accountability, whilst at the same time desiring less responsibility.

As Ronald Reagan said: "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem."

Hi Retro

Politicians should not complain about this and take it it on board as fair expectation.

When a person volunteers to run the nations affair on our behalf he should get on with it to the satisfaction of the people. (Agreed in politics you cannot satisfy all the people all the time).

How would you feel if you took your car to the garage and the mechanic complained that he is expected to be accountable for his work AND you will not get your hands dirty during the work.

Remember the car does not belong to the mechanic nor does the nation (or the country ) belong to the politician.

Both are the servants to their respective constituents.

[Mukuch]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Turkey? When did I say anything about Turkey. I was talking about Azerbaijan and Karabakh.

UN is not doing anything about the genocide that's going on in Darfur, you expect them to get involved when Turkey attacks Armenia? They will all sit back and watch!

Of course it does, why wouldn't it? So does every other country in the world. At the moment, having Russia is crucial to our survival. I could care less about what Russia cares about, as long as they can benefit us, we should keep them close.

The question is who is keeping who?
I have nothing against having Russia as ally but do not think being a vassal of Russia is the only way to do it.