Political prisoners in Armenia

[Eddo211]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Can you say that these things are not being done?I have proof that this guy tried to do just those things like for example he tried to participate in nato but had to backout because his hands are tied(russia said you participate and no 500,000,000 for armenia), he tried to initiate dialogue with turckey(soccer matches). There is nothing anyone could have done differently in this and many other situations without putting the country at risk.The country has plenty of people who are great leaders, if it was not for kocharian and his friends taking the initiative and getting rid of levon we might not have a homeland today, that was great leadership, but in todays invironment against the big powers such leadership can be the wrong thing, just look at what happened to georgia, had shakasville succeeded and russia had not intervened then he would have been a great leader but we all know what happened. Playing smart and knowing when to act and when not to is the key, there may be a time for a leader to act in a bold new way but it has to be done at the right time.

I tend to believe that our Armenian leaders must be held (and reminded to be held) to higher standards then any leader of other countries and I know what incredible challenges they must be facing and how there seems to be no proper solutions to many situations which leaves them in a predicament that "one wrong move and your people will get it and you will loose everything".

For example I am starting to believe that the reason Artsakh and Armenia are not joined is a deliberate strategic defensive move.

Either way, our leaders cannot effort to make any mistakes walking through a minefield………….they must be focused and determined.

[jgk3]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Everybody is a millionaire on the Internet and I don't like most of the anti-Hayastan an rhetorics I've been reading lately. But be the bigger men and let the reader decide who is right, there are alot of people reading this Forum and we need to stand above the insults and show our point in a good manner and respectful.

Exactly. Mukuch, take note of this please, you are being disrespectful to other forumers. Stop with the insults. Haykakan and the others are trying to keep their composure when they reach a disagreement with you, please show them the same courtesy so this bickering can stop.

[Mukuch]

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@Mukuch: Look at Armenia today and you'll see what they have done, every city has been built by the USSR. Yerevan was built by them before the USSR Yerevan was a big Islamic village filled with starving people, refugees from Western-Armenia they took it and created the beautiful city you see today. .

Soviet Yerevan would be just another grey soviet city if not talent of Armenian architects. And it was mostly grey soviet city. Imagine how much more beautiful it could be without soviet grey influence.

Without USSR Turkey would have conquered all of Armenia and we would have nothing left, and our race would have been destroyed. What more do you want from them.

Where did you get that bullxxxx from? Turks were defeated in Sardarapat and Bashaparan. There was a civil war in turkey at the time. Turkey never was that week as in that time and Bolsheviks just gave it away to them in Kars treaty just because Lenins sympathy to Ataturk.

And you are the one who is calling defeat turks militarely today?LOL

And almost every one was a member of the Communistic party, if you wanted a job you were a member. If you wanted a peaceful home and future you joined the party.

Well that is not true. Yes there were many people without any moral values in soviet armenia and they were members of communist party. But there were many people with very high values who fought the system even when it seemed imposable. Isn’t it strange that the president of Armenia belongs to first group not the second?

[Mukuch]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Exactly. Mukuch, take note of this please, you are being disrespectful to other forumers. Stop with the insults. Haykakan and the others are trying to keep their composure when they reach a disagreement with you, please show them the same courtesy so this bickering can stop.

That is not true I just answer to insults. And why I suppose to respect morons who make soviet propaganda without even knowing what that country was about? Isn’t it moronic to talk of something you have no idea about?

[Mukuch]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

Karothe, this mukuch guy has been attacking me and calling me all kinds of colorfull names so i only see it fit to respond in kind.Perhaps a moderators warning for mukuch is in order. As for ideas there are hardly any he has worth comenting on, just a slew of anti hayastantsi,russian,soviet.... rants with nothing comprehendable or worth anyones time to read.He also has some grandious perceptions of himself "you don't know who i am" "you dont know who your talking to" , as if he is god and i should fear his wreath(oo im so scared momy).well i got a good idea its a dim witted individual with absolutly no ideas and lots of hostility.I think this guy really pisses me off because in addition to being a idiot he is also reckless.I cant blame the moderator if he was to warn me to but i had to vent.

If something is out of your very limited comprehension don’t call it "nothing comprehandable" and do not decide for others if it is worth to read or not. Your behavior is on level of primary school teacher, so is your intellect. You said I cant think but all I do is trying to make you and your kind to think a little beat and try to get out of your very narrow limits of common standards. But in vain...
Why don’t you answer on my post? It is right there. No arguments? Or your competence is ending on having a cheap Turkish butter on your bread and moral values are out of your competence? You see how I can be "antihayastantsi" when I am a hayastantsi. That exactly why I say that you have no xxxxen idea who I am and it got nothing to do with "grandiose perception" of myself

[jgk3]

Re: Political prisoners in Armenia

That is not true I just answer to insults. And why I suppose to respect morons who make soviet propaganda without even knowing what that country was about? Isn’t it moronic to talk of something you have no idea about?

In that case, answer to insults without insults and tell me who is insulting you so I can properly warn them. Thank you.

[Mukuch]

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In that case, answer to insults without insults and tell me who is insulting you so I can properly warn them. Thank you.

Pointing my finger to others is not in my customs. It is all there . If you wish you can read it. I am pretty sure you know how to read. And if you are to lathy to do that...well than God with you....


Well back to the subject:
Two of our heroic fighters are arrested by serjiks security services and accused in ridiculous crimes. What you people think of it?

[KarotheGreat]

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Soviet Yerevan would be just another grey soviet city if not talent of Armenian architects. And it was mostly grey soviet city. Imagine how much more beautiful it could be without soviet grey influence.

With what were they going to build the city, the first Armenian republic was a little more than a failed state. The people there were starving, a million refugees. And how many years till the Turk would have been back.

Where did you get that bullxxxx from? Turks were defeated in Sardarapat and Bashaparan. There was a civil war in turkey at the time. Turkey never was that week as in that time and Bolsheviks just gave it away to them in Kars treaty just because Lenins sympathy to Ataturk.

And you are the one who is calling defeat turks militarely today?LOL

Have you heard of a little thing called the treaty of Alexandropol. Armenia had lost the war and the Turks could invade any moment they wanted so please tell me again the Soviet was the evil you are telling.

And when I'm talking about a war it's not about today but when the time is right. What do you want to do to get our lands back? Go suck up to the west?

Well that is not true. Yes there were many people without any moral values in soviet armenia and they were members of communist party. But there were many people with very high values who fought the system even when it seemed imposable. Isn’t it strange that the president of Armenia belongs to first group not the second?

And from the first group you are talking about, how many got a good education? How many went to a uni? And when did those live at the end of the 80's than most people knew that the end was coming and breaking away from the party. And go and check how was a member of the Karabakh comity in the 80's. And guess who were the first ones to support the miatsum the soviet leadership of Armenia.
And do you think the Artsakh war could have been won without the officers and generals who had been part of the soviet military?

[Eddo211]

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You rooskyfied guys are betting on the wrong horse in the long run. The sooner you realize that Russian interest in Armenia is only to maintain its loosing influence in the region, the better off you will be. No country must allow itself to become fully independent on another country. Recent examples that should raise the red flags are Russia’s desire to close the Georgian border (due to terrorist act of Beslan) which means no goods would be headed to Armenia. Our leaders pleaded and begged them not to do this which they ignored as if they are siding with the Turkish and Azeri blockade ……..is that what we wanna do forever with Russia? Beg?!!

Your Russia is also blocking and objecting to building a profitable pipeline in Armenia that would transport gas to Georgia and later on to Europe. Is that OK with you guys, they telling us what to do and stopping Armenia from growth? Russia is EXPLOYTING Armenia. While every other Nation in the region is moving away from them we have become now their royal millets, just like we supposingly were to the Ottomans? Is that our strategy? Where did that get us? Killed!!

Turkey will not be allowed to attack Armenia by US and UN. They are part of NATO with EU ambitions. They will be cutting their own throats. False sense of security by Russia.

You want me to believe that if it wasn’t for Russia’s Generals to do the thinking for us we would have lost to the Azeris? xxxxing son of a xxxxx, who the xxxx told you that xxxx? Those motherxxxxers were playing both sides and even today they are working with them.

Nobody is saying that we should be kissing America’s ass or to alienate Russia, but come on now.

WAKE UP Damn it. This is not a xxxxing pissing contest between Russia and US, it is about the future of our nation.

[KarotheGreat]

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You rooskyfied guys are betting on the wrong horse in the long run. The sooner you realize that Russian interest in Armenia is only to maintain its loosing influence in the region, the better off you will be. No country must allow itself to become fully independent on another country. Recent examples that should raise the red flags are Russia’s desire to close the Georgian border (due to terrorist act of Beslan) which means no goods would be headed to Armenia. Our leaders pleaded and begged them not to do this which they ignored as if they are siding with the Turkish and Azeri blockade ……..is that what we wanna do forever with Russia? Beg?!!

The border is still open and Russian goods re arriving in Armenia don't worry about that, and I think the only reason there isn't a real blockade of Georgia is because of Armenia. And we are betting on the horse who hasn't betrayed as the most. Why should we ever look to the west they have left us to die under the hands of the Turks in 93. When Turkish army was preparing to invade Armenia, didn't you know that? Guess who helped us, it was the Russians and guess why Turkey hasn't attacked us because of Russia.

Your Russia is also blocking and objecting to building a profitable pipeline in Armenia that would transport gas to Georgia and later on to Europe. Is that OK with you guys, they telling us what to do and stopping Armenia from growth? Russia is EXPLOYTING Armenia. While every other Nation in the region is moving away from them we have become now their royal millets, just like we supposingly were to the Ottomans? Is that our strategy? Where did that get us? Killed!!

Would we let them build a gas pipeline that will undermine their own gas pipelines if we were in their position? No we wouldn't. And xxxx all those nations let them become xxxxxes of a dieing west what will they get from it? Only an angry Russia and they are ready to use their weapons if they are xxxxed with. And you know what got us killed is the way you are acting the people back than also thought they were better of without Russia and they would look to the West for help but did it ever came the help they were looking for?

Turkey will not be allowed to attack Armenia by US and UN. They are part of NATO with EU ambitions. They will be cutting their own throats. False sense of security by Russia.

In what dream world are you living, they almost attacked 15 years ago where was Nato? They invaded Cyprus where was Nato than? Wake up!!!! Nato, the west don't give a xxxx about us, it would be better for them if we were all death and they could get cheaper oil and gas.

You want me to believe that if it wasn’t for Russia’s Generals to do the thinking for us we would have lost to the Azeris? xxxxing son of a xxxxx, who the xxxx told you that xxxx? Those motherxxxxers were playing both sides and even today they are working with them.

Nobody is saying that we should be kissing America’s ass or to alienate Russia, but come on now.

WAKE UP Damn it. This is not a xxxxing pissing contest between Russia and US, it is about the future of our nation.

Where did I say it were Russian generals there were many Armenian officers and generals who went fighting in the Artsakh war. And how do you think we would have won without all those men they were a big part of it. And the men fighting how many of them came back from Afghanistan or where they were serving their military terms and went to Artsakh. Please tell me that?

And xxxx America those sons of xxxxxes, they are allies with our enemies and look what that piece of xxxx Obama tried to do with the aid. And you want us to join them xxxx them. NAd you dare to say Russia is bad those xxxxers are doing everything to help our enemies and weaken us. With Russia you now we'll have a gain, with the west we are xxxxed like we were back than.