Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

[KanadaHye]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

The first article KanadaHye posted sounds like bs. Neither Armenia nor Russia would allow turkish troops to enter Armenia under any pretenses, that is just absurd. I see some folks are trying to come up with new angles to attack the protocols since most of what they have been saying is unsubstantiated.

I didn't find any statement insinuating that either, however if the two countries were to work together to combat "terrorism", I could see it happening.

The full text of the protocols can be read here:
http://news.am/en/news/6260.html

A lot of emotion with no substance to the claims. Accusations should be proven.

You know what they say.... time will tell

[Armanen]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

I didn't find any statement insinuating that either, however if the two countries were to work together to combat "terrorism", I could see it happening.

The full text of the protocols can be read here:
http://news.am/en/news/6260.html

I don't put much into what could happen under the pretenses of terrorism. In that case Armenia could go into turkey as well, but it is not likely. I just see this as another tactic to discredit the protocols but what it's really doing is showing the emptiness of some of the arguments presented against the protocols. I don't disagree that the protocols do hold some negatives for Armenia, yet I am trying to look at the bigger picture to see what is the goal of all this and so far it seems to be much bigger than just Armeno-turkish relations.

[Haykakan]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

90% of the crap in this forum lately is "A lot of emotion with no substance to the claims. Accusations should be proven." Its getting boring as all hell in here lately.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

90% of the crap in this forum lately is "A lot of emotion with no substance to the claims. Accusations should be proven." Its getting boring as all hell in here lately.

Some will be eating crow... the question is who will that be.

[Anoush]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

I don't put much into what could happen under the pretenses of terrorism. In that case Armenia could go into turkey as well, but it is not likely. I just see this as another tactic to discredit the protocols but what it's really doing is showing the emptiness of some of the arguments presented against the protocols. I don't disagree that the protocols do hold some negatives for Armenia, yet I am trying to look at the bigger picture to see what is the goal of all this and so far it seems to be much bigger than just Armeno-turkish relations.

Some negatives for Armenia? Is that all Armanen? Do me a favor and re-read the protocols again and again please. See if those negativities don't add up to be a total hazard for our lands, for Artsakh's future, for our survival and of course for the Genocide recognition. We are dealing here with a mortal denialist government. Please.

[Anoush]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

90% of the crap in this forum lately is "A lot of emotion with no substance to the claims. Accusations should be proven." Its getting boring as all hell in here lately.

If it's getting boring Haykakan then perhaps you could go to another thread and entertain yourself?

[Armanen]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

Some negatives for Armenia? Is that all Armanen? Do me a favor and re-read the protocols again and again please. See if those negativities don't add up to be a total hazard for our lands, for Artsakh's future, for our survival and of course for the Genocide recognition. We are dealing here with a mortal denialist government. Please.

Anoush jan, I pointed something out earlier. We have all these legal documents that we could use in our fight against turkey. We have had almost 20 years to do so, why haven't we? The Diaspora is so concerned about Genocide recognition, especially in the u.s., so I ask why didn't some of the money spent on getting the idiot in the whitehouse to say the word 'Genocide', not go toward bringing an international lawsuit against turkey?

Why aren't Armenians outraged about official Yerevan not suing turkey for the illegal blockade, not to mention the Sevres Treaty? Why is everyone bit*hing now when the status quo is likely to change and could actually put Armenia in a better position?

People like Ara Papyan and Hellektor were saying for years that Armenia should take turkey to court, but no one listened to them, now people are taking them seriously when it may be too late.

[Haykakan]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

ARMENIA MAY BECOME ALTERNATIVE TRANSIT ENERGY ROUTE BETWEEN CASPIAN BASIN AND EUROPE

PanARMENIAN.Net
19.10.2009 19:06 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ As Europe now seeks to build new pipelines from the
Caspian, energy executives' eyes are turning to Armenia as a possible
alternative to more pipelines through Azerbaijan and Georgia, says an
article published in The Huffington Post. A pipeline across Armenia
to Europe would be much shorter (and hence cheaper) than existing
or prospective routes through Azerbaijan and Georgia. Since Armenia
also has better relations with Moscow, a pipeline across Armenia would
face less political risk. The EU and its US allies thus have a strong
geopolitical interest in a deal," author of the article believes.

"Despite these opportunities, Russia has more often been an obstacle
than a facilitator of reconciliation in the region. It remains
skeptical of Turkey's attempt to become a regional energy hub,
loathes the government of Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili,
and has long benefited from instability that prevents the US and EU
from building new pipelines," publication goes on saying.

At the end of article, the author refers to Obama Administration's
patient attitude, particularly, he states, "Obama's patient outreach to
Moscow, coupled with Secretary Clinton's intensive mediation between
the Turks and Armenians, were all necessary parts of the foundation
leading to last week's agreement, as they will be to any future accord
on Nagorno-Karabakh."

[Catharsis]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

And from what country are the pipes going to go to "transit" Armenia - Azerbaijan, Georgia or Iran?

[Haykakan]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

Could be all three actually.