“Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

[theServant]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

See, that sort of flaunting their gayness I can't stand. You wanna be gay fine, I support your right. Why shove it down my damn throat? Straight people don't have parades on streets flaunting their straightness. It's like they are trying to convince themselves morethan anyone that they are gay. Seriously folks.

Perfect.

[Anahita]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

See, that sort of flaunting their gayness I can't stand. You wanna be gay fine, I support your right. Why shove it down my damn throat? Straight people don't have parades on streets flaunting their straightness. It's like they are trying to convince themselves morethan anyone that they are gay. Seriously folks.

That is the same with any marginalized group. There isn't anything wrong with bringing attention to bigotry with celebration (that's sometimes what gets people thinking--or talking, at least.)

[crusader1492]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

I think parents can control what their kids can and can't watch on TV. Same as movies with violence or any sexual reference.

I'm going to call BS on this one. Yeah, parents have some control, but it's hard to avoid the Gay-agenda on TV. It's out of hand and it's negativley affecting a generation.

[crusader1492]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

See, that sort of flaunting their gayness I can't stand. You wanna be gay fine, I support your right. Why shove it down my damn throat? Straight people don't have parades on streets flaunting their straightness. It's like they are trying to convince themselves morethan anyone that they are gay. Seriously folks.

Agreed. The a-hole in that picture is nothing but an embarresment, not only for Armenians but for himself.

[Siggie]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

If they only kept it to themselfs and had sex...i would had no problem with that...

No one keeps anything to themselves. That's ridiculous... like saying you don't like tattoos so people who have them should keep it covered up

But today a child flips though the tv channels and comes across 2 gay dude all over each other making out...wtf is that child gonna think??

So we should lie to children instead? Like if they don't see it on TV they'd otherwise never encounter it?

Thay want gay marriage lealized, they adobt normal children, and there is 90% chance a kid with gay parents will be gay

hahah... 90% huh? Don't make up stats. What's wrong with wanting to be in a monogomous relationship? Our constitution (in the US) guarantees equal rights... so it's not right to deny them the right to marriage. Church and state are (supposed to be) seperate remember?

They don't just choose different life style, they choose to have their ass hole made bigger. Here i went high school for 2 years, my english teach, she was one of the best teachers i ever had...after i graduated, i would still visit here once in while because she was a good person, but about a month ago i found out that she is lesbian, and she is the leader of the gay club...did my views of her change? no...as long as she keeps it to her self, i have no problem....besides who does not like lesbians?

I'm sorry that's so ridiculous. What the hell does the size of someone's a-hole have to do with you? So you have something against heterosexual couples having anal sex then too?

I'm going to call BS on this one. Yeah, parents have some control, but it's hard to avoid the Gay-agenda on TV. It's out of hand and it's negativley affecting a generation.

How is it negatively affecting a generation? How do you know if it is? Show me the evidence.




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[Siggie]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

It is not a 'lifestyle' it is not a 'disease' or something you are born with. It is more akin to a behavior or tendency.

What are behaviors and tendencies? They can be both genetic and learned, however, the jury is still out so all we have are the endpoint, the action. The action of being gay is therefore then based on choice. The participants make a conscious choice to pursue that based on whatever impulse it is since we do not know.

If being gay was something you are born with, we wouldn't have bisexuals. In other words, there is fluidity in the behaviors and tendencies, as opposed to these static polar opposites of you are either gay or straight. As for turning gay, I remember there was a study conducted a few years ago, ironically, a study carried out to disprove notions that somehow gay parents who adopt children will not have any effect on their sexuality. They wanted to prove that children can actually grow up in gay households without turning gay. Strangely enough, the results were the opposite of what the group intended, and found that there is measured effect. However, I could have you told you that without a study.

Couldn't genetics put you anywhere on a spectrum? Genetics is more complex then how you're representing it. There can be a combination of many genes involved.

(From the introduction) In this chapter, the author reviews the evidence on whether there is a genetic basis for sexual orientation. Much of the evidence comes from studies of identical (monozygotic or MZ) twins compared with fraternal (dizygotic or DZ) twins and their concordance for homosexuality--or, more precisely, nonheterosexual orientation, including both homosexuality and bisexuality. Sufficient studies using strong methods now exist to support the conclusion that nonheterosexual orientation is moderately heritable. Other researchers have advanced the hypothesis that homosexuality in some men is influenced by a gene on the X chromosome, called Xq28. The replicability of these findings is somewhat ambiguous. Results of the first genomewide scan for male sexual orientation, published in 2005, are included. The author also reviews genomic research with other species such as fruit flies, which has identified specific genes controlling specific aspects of sexual behavior such as the courtship ritual. Finally, the author considers the ethical issues that will arise if specific genes influencing homosexual orientation are identified. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2005 APA, all rights reserved)

And those results of that study could be explained by saying that perhaps the gay children of gay parents aren't ashamed to admit it. Can't say having gay parents made them gay when there's a plausible 3rd variable that explains the difference as well.

If most of those are the bioligical children of one of the parents then it could be the genetic influence.

Do you have a citation for that study though? I thought most of the research showed there wasn't a difference, but I haven't looked at it myself.

The body of research that exists however supports that children of homosexual parents as psychologically healthy as those of heterosexual parents (Fitzgerald, 1999; Garnets & Kimmel, 2003; Lambert, 2005; Tasker, 2005 ).


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Looked for some research on sexual orientation of children of homosexual parents and there's not a whole lot of research, but the research that has been done doesn't find that they're not more likely to be gay

A number of investigators have also studied a third component of sexual identity: sexual orientation (Bailey, Bobrow, Wolfe, & Mikach, 1995; xxxett, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1989; Gottman, 1990; Golombok et al., 1983; Green, 1978; Huggins, 1989; Miller, 1979; Paul, 1986; Rees, 1979). In all studies, the great majority of offspring of both gay fathers and lesbian mothers described themselves as heterosexual. Taken together, the data do not suggest elevated rates of homosexuality among the offspring of lesbian or gay parents. For instance, Huggins (1989) interviewed 36 teenagers, half of whom were offspring of lesbian mothers and half of heterosexual mothers. No children of lesbian mothers identified themselves as lesbian or gay, but one child of a heterosexual mother did; this difference was not statistically significant. In a recent study, Bailey and his colleagues (1995) studied adult sons of gay fathers and found more than 90% of the sons to be heterosexual. Because the heterosexual and nonheterosexual sons did not differ in

the length of time they had resided with their fathers, the effects of the exposure to the fathers' sexual orientation on the sons' sexual orientation must have been either very small or nonexistent.

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[Anonymouse]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

No one keeps anything to themselves. That's ridiculous... like saying you don't like tattoos so people who have them should keep it covered up

So we should lie to children instead? Like if they don't see it on TV they'd otherwise never encounter it?

hahah... 90% huh? Don't make up stats. What's wrong with wanting to be in a monogomous relationship? Our constitution (in the US) guarantees equal rights... so it's not right to deny them the right to marriage. Church and state are (supposed to be) seperate remember?

I'm sorry that's so ridiculous. What the hell does the size of someone's a-hole have to do with you? So you have something against heterosexual couples having anal sex then too?

How is it negatively affecting a generation? How do you know if it is? Show me the evidence.

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Actually, the Constitution does not guarantee equal rights. What are you most likely referring to is the 14th amendment, which again does not grant anyone equal rights.

[Anonymouse]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

Couldn't genetics put you anywhere on a spectrum? Genetics is more complex then how you're representing it. There can be a combination of many genes involved.

And those results of that study could be explained by saying that perhaps the gay children of gay parents aren't ashamed to admit it. Can't say having gay parents made them gay when there's a plausible 3rd variable that explains the difference as well.

If most of those are the bioligical children of one of the parents then it could be the genetic influence.

Do you have a citation for that study though? I thought most of the research showed there wasn't a difference, but I haven't looked at it myself.

The body of research that exists however supports that children of homosexual parents as psychologically healthy as those of heterosexual parents (Fitzgerald, 1999; Garnets & Kimmel, 2003; Lambert, 2005; Tasker, 2005 ).

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Looked for some research on sexual orientation of children of homosexual parents and there's not a whole lot of research, but the research that has been done doesn't find that they're not more likely to be gay

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The study I was referring to was published in The American Sociological Review in April of 2001 I believe, titled "Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?" by USC professors Judith Stacey and Timothy J. Biblarz.

[Crissy]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

I'm going to call BS on this one. Yeah, parents have some control, but it's hard to avoid the Gay-agenda on TV. It's out of hand and it's negativley affecting a generation.

Fair enough, parents have SOME control as you put it, but still what of all the other rubbish on TV? why are we singling out the homosexuals?

[karoaper]

Re: “Love and Loyalty”: Marriage in secret, in an environment of fear

Fair enough, parents have SOME control as you put it, but still what of all the other rubbish on TV? why are we singling out the homosexuals?

yep, there's a heavy idiocy-agenda on TV that's for sure, starting from pop culture channels, (E, MTV, etc) and ending with 'so-called' news channels that breed a nation of brain dead blind empathisers and head-nodders. Only decent channels are pbs and playboy.