Turkey 2 give back land?

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

if you continue thinking like that you'll always lose. turks had power and a great
empire. then they took your lands. if you had power, you'd do same things. unfortunately, armenia never became a great state. because, you determine yourselves, as enemies of turks. you must determine with your history, your language, your culture... you do that? no.. only damned turks.. anything else..
you talk about land. do you live in your land? most armenians live in usa and france..

Umm, much of that land is occupied by people who did not have a lawful claim to it but were able to take it over when Armenians were driven from it.

The Ottoman Empire is dead. Forgotten. Your history was discarded to save face as your ancestors hoped to make their crimes disappear by changing their alphabet, vocabulary, names.

The Ottoman Empire is dead. Many Armenians now have an Ottoman as an accessory to their couch.

[ArmSurvival]

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history? you have a history? could your country be independent? you were a part of ottoman empire. later, a part of ussr.

Our history didn't start when Turkic nomads crossed the Caspian and later established the Ottoman empire. And even under the Ottoman & Russian empires and the USSR, Armenians had their own autonomy in many areas, Karabagh being just one example in the Russian Empire, and Sassoun one for the Ottoman empire (among other regions). I suggest you study history instead of giving blanket statements based off of Ankara state history books.

how much is your population? you are telling your lies and deceiving all world.
how much is your country's area? ahahahah you poors..

Don't act like an idiot. I'm talking to you like a normal person, and you are giving juvenile responses, and then you wonder why Armenians have a bad impression of Turks.

i ask only one question, why 80 years old grandmas use "son of armenian" as a swear (like bastard) in turkey? do that woman know offical history?

What does that have to do with anything? Outside of Turkey, Armenians are loved, and the word "Turk" is used as an insult all around the world (Europe, Iran, Arab world, etc).

[Selpak]

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@Vagharshapat As a empatic person think slowly and tell us what Turks should do in that time period? What did you do for sharing pains of Turks? Turks were majority in Erivan. Now their percentage is zero. How do you feel?

And of course tell us what makes Turkey historical Armenia without using separatist Kurdish terminology?

[lampron]

Re: Turkey 2 give back land?

The question of territory is very sensitive. One reason why Kemal is so highly regarded is that he made territorial gains. Each time Armenians speak of territory, Turkish nationalists gain popularity. It is better for the moment not to raise this issue and instead develop friendship with open minded Turks. The small territory of Igdir-Kars probably should be Armenian because it was not in the Ottoman empire in 1914. But I think even this is a sore point in Turkey. Let this question be left to future generations

[Sip]

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It is a very well known fact that Turks were the first humans to appear on Earth. They also invented everything.

[ArmSurvival]

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Turks were majority in Erivan. Now their percentage is zero. How do you feel?

I feel fine, because the last time Muslims were a majority in that region was during the Erivan Khanate (ruled by Persians) in the 18th century. However, Turks were not the majority, as most of the Muslims in the Khanate were Persian Shiites, who were brought to the Ararat region from Iran by the Persian rulers of Erivan. This was because in the early 17th century the Persian ruler Shah Abbas forcibly relocated around a hundred thousand Armenians from the Ararat valley to his capital in Isfahan, so later on, the Persian rulers of Erivan moved Persians and other Muslims where those relocated Armenians used to live.

There were a significant amount of Kurds and Turks as well, but many of them were semi-nomadic, and only a small amount of them were actually settled in the region. After the Russian army came into the region to overthrow Persia's rule, many Muslims went back to their original lands. Many Persians went back to Iran, while most Turkic and Tatar tribes went back near the Caspian coast, while Armenians from surrounding regions slowly returned to their homeland until they were a majority again (by the early 19th century).

So saying that "Turks were a majority in Erivan", is a false statement.

[Anonymouse]

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Let this be a warning. Any posts that are insulting (by either side) and filled with nothing but invectives and without substance are deleted to keep the civility and a clarity of discourse. Those posts which are informational stay.

If you cannot adhere to the rules, then don't expect your posts to be taken seriously. Quite frankly, I am both tired of ignorant Turks who come here and just post garbage and rants and seek to incite hatred or elicit a reaction. You will be automatically banned if your purpose is the latter and you are not engaged in bona fide discussions. Also, the Armenian posters who insult Turks wholesale must stop. There are those Turks (far and few in between) who do agree and who do seek normal discourse and we should not stoop to the level of the ignorant Turks who come here to create reactions.

Either way, keep it clean.

[Siamanto]

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The question of territory is very sensitive...It is better for the moment not to raise this issue and instead develop friendship with open minded Turks...Let this question be left to future generations

"Open minded" as in being morally corrupt enough to invite the victims of the most horrible crime to make an effort to respect the sensitivities of the butcher who raped and killed their families, the bandit who dispossessed them of their past, their dignity, and ancestral lands?
"Open minded" as in being morally corrupt enough to expect the victims to have the generosity to make the gift of friendship to their butcher, and patiently wait, hoping that the bandit, the thief to return what is rightfully theirs?
History shows that the sly bandits, that jurks are, do not willfully return the booty; warlords and bandits have a different understanding of "private property."

If Armenians had practised extreme caution and done nothing to raise the suspicions of the paranoid Ottoman authorities could the genocide have been avoided?

"Open minded" as in being morally corrupt enough to invite the victims to reflect on their share of responsibility in a crime that they have suffered?

Honestly, what constitutes - or reflects - "open mindedness" in your suggestions??? All I see is the reflection of a Central Asian bandit/warlord/sly mindset!

At least, a koylu like Selpak has the honesty to open his mind as it is, to openly express his Central Asian bandit/warlord mentality, when he says

It seems your learned nothing from your history too.

The difference between you and a koylu like Selpak is that you either lack the honesty, the courage or the lucidity to openly admit and assume your true self, your true mentality???

[asli]

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guys u all retarded. u want all turks go asia or die and take lands from turkey hahaha. ridiculous, so fascist and also racist.
if u have ethnical reasons, todays turks quite big perentage native anatolian dna carriers, look how they look? so u still cant have the reasons. and historical facts. u cant want lands cause of "we were there" its so israeli way to do like palestine.

they wanna give old armo lands to kurds (usa wants) i bet u heard of it, right?? what do u think about it?? wud usa want russia pawn armenian country in anatolia? is it logical? mayeb the reason they wanna give there to kurds is that, to not give them to armenians from turks. what do u guys think bour it?? i really wonder

[Vagharshapat]

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guys u all retarded. u want all turks go asia or die and take lands from turkey hahaha. ridiculous, so fascist and also racist.
if u have ethnical reasons, todays turks quite big perentage native anatolian dna carriers, look how they look? so u still cant have the reasons. and historical facts. u cant want lands cause of "we were there" its so israeli way to do like palestine.

they wanna give old armo lands to kurds (usa wants) i bet u heard of it, right?? what do u think about it?? wud usa want russia pawn armenian country in anatolia? is it logical? mayeb the reason they wanna give there to kurds is that, to not give them to armenians from turks. what do u guys think bour it?? i really wonder

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