Armenia and the information war

[Mos]

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Calling American-Armenian relations hostile is a stretch imo.

Not saying hostile, just saying unfriendly. Their active support of Turkey, submitting to Israeli/Turkish lobby groups makes them an unfriendly state. If you read some of the wikileaks, you also see this trend. Let's not mention the strengthening Israel-Azerbaijan-US axis.

[bell-the-cat]

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So I attempted to make a map of Armenia's political relations in the world. Feel free to make suggestions. I was unsure whether to put Georgia as 'unfriendly', neutral, or friendly. The reason I put friendly is because of the close economic cooperation, but I was on the fence for that one. This is purely the level of our political relations in the world.

Red - enemy/hostile Orange - unfriendly Green - friendly Blue - ally/close cooperation

If Mos is a typical Armenian, then you might as well colour the whole world red. Enemies remain enemies forever, friends always become enemies (under your "do whatever we say because not doing it proves you are an enemy" standards), and the indifferent know enough by now to keep well clear of you.

[bell-the-cat]

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http://www.baku.am

Website about Baku and the history of its Armenian community there.

[Mos]

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If Mos is a typical Armenian, then you might as well colour the whole world red. Enemies remain enemies forever, friends always become enemies (under your "do whatever we say because not doing it proves you are an enemy" standards), and the indifferent know enough by now to keep well clear of you.

I don't agree with that. There are two levels of enemies. One enemy is at a fundamental historical/cultural level (Turkey), the other level is just for sake of being strategically opposed due to certain interests (Pakistan). The second level of enemies can change quickly into neutral or even friends over time. The first level of enemies often takes a lot of time to normalise relations, and even with normalised relations tensions will naturally linger. I would say a similar thing for friends. Though the hard part sometimes is distinguishing some relations between the two categories. It can become tricky sometimes.

[Muhaha]

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Mos Sorry I got the colors mixed up.

[bell-the-cat]

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I don't agree with that. There are two levels of enemies. One enemy is at a fundamental historical/cultural level (Turkey), the other level is just for sake of being strategically opposed due to certain interests (Pakistan). The second level of enemies can change quickly into neutral or even friends over time. The first level of enemies often takes a lot of time to normalise relations, and even with normalised relations tensions will naturally linger. I would say a similar thing for friends. Though the hard part sometimes is distinguishing some relations between the two categories. It can become tricky sometimes.

That is true only if politics transcends the personal. At a personal level, it seems to me that Armenians behave as if they can't ever have too many enemies. It is almost as if self-worth expands with the number of enemies/opponents an individual has. Every friend or ally is just a future enemy - and one must never miss an opportunity to turn the former into the latter.

[Mos]

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That is true only if politics transcends the personal. At a personal level, it seems to me that Armenians behave as if they can't ever have too many enemies. It is almost as if self-worth expands with the number of enemies/opponents an individual has. Every friend or ally is just a future enemy - and one must never miss an opportunity to turn the former into the latter.

We have more friends than enemies in the world. Our enemies are primarily Turkey and Azerbaijan and whatever country supports them and works against our interests. It's pretty simple why they are our enemies, and why we will not be on good terms with countries that are overly open with them in support and work against our interests. Those type of countries are mainly Pakistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and now Belarus.

[Muhaha]

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Another hilarious piece in an American publication written by an Azeri/Turk.
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http://thegazette.com/2011/10/19/reduce-u-s-aid-to-armenia/comment-page-1/#comment-1058065

Reduce U.S. aid to Armenia

As the House Appropriations Committee prepares for a vote on the State, Foreign Operations and Related Programs budget, I would like to call for a reduction of U.S. aid to Armenia and elimination of any aid to the occupied Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan.

Since 1990s, the U.S. Congress has been allocating assistance to the victims of the Armenian-Azerbaijani/Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. But in 2005, under pressure from the ethnic special interest groups, wording of the appropriations bills was revised to direct U.S. taxpayer dollars only to a group of fewer than 100,000 Armenians in the occupied Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan.

Meanwhile, more than 600,000 ethnic Azerbaijanis, expelled from their homes during the Armenian occupation, were deprived of any U.S. assistance.

Further, in the last six years, the allocation of funds to the Armenian community in Karabakh has been gradually increasing without basis, from $3 million to $8 million.

In regards to the U.S. aid to Armenia, this country’s policy has been a major roadblock to peace and development in the South Caucasus. Armenia’s regional policy directly challenges the U.S. interests as well.

In 2003, Armenian government sold 1,000 RPG-22M rockets and 260 PKM machine guns to Iran. These weapons were used by the Iranian-backed Hizballah brigades in Iraq to kill a U.S. serviceman.

Thus, at the time when the U.S. national debt nears $15 trillion, another extension of U.S. aid to Armenia is unsubstantiated.

Agshin Taghiyev

http://thegazette.com/2011/10/19/reduce-u-s-aid-to-armenia/comment-page-1/#comment-1058065

[londontsi]

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That is true only if politics transcends the personal. At a personal level, it seems to me that Armenians behave as if they can't ever have too many enemies. It is almost as if self-worth expands with the number of enemies/opponents an individual has. Every friend or ally is just a future enemy - and one must never miss an opportunity to turn the former into the latter.

I find your characterization of the Armenians a bit amusing (because of your bias).
If anything Armenians are not sophisticated enough regards their enemies, friends and loyalties.

True, Armenians have an "eternal" enemy.

However I would like to remind you a quote from General De Gaulle,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#cite_note-TDQ-40

..xxxxxx., who admired de Gaulle, once cautioned him,

"General, you must not hate your friends more than you hate your enemies."

De Gaulle himself stated famously,

"France has no friends, only interests."

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[Tigranakert]

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Power struggle between Aliyev and his botox "wife" (who had a relationship with Belarusian president Lukashenko), just hilarious.

Who will replace Azerbaijan’s President?

October 21, 2011 | 05:54
BAKU. – Domestic political situation in Azerbaijan is getting tenser in connection with the country’s presidential elections to be held in 2013, and the next candidate’s issue is actively discussed, Azadliq newspaper of Azerbaijan writes, presenting new details on the meeting which the Nakhijevan clan recently held in Gabala.

The clan’s key representatives examined the matter of replacing current president Ilham Aliyev and choosing a convenient candidate. “If [Ilham Aliyev’s wife] Mehriban Aliyeva becomes president, this would have disastrous consequences for the Nakhijevan clan,” the newspaper writes. That is why the Nakhijevan “troika” is looking for an alternative to Ilham Aliyev, and the most likely candidate from among them seems Kamaladdin Heydarov, the Minister of Emergency Situations.

“So, it will also become clear soon as to how Ilham Aliyev will deal with these problems. And when that happens, the Minister of Emergency Situations could find himself in a difficult situation,” Azadliq concludes.