Armenia and the information war

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenia and the information war

By Tigranakert


Back in the late 1990s our politicians were again flirting with national suicide. Thankfully they were eliminated in spectacular fashion on October 27, 1999. I hope that a reliving of that bloody day in Armenian history is not where we are headed today.

Could you remind us what these "politicians" were planning? Serious question, I don't know much about armenian politics in 90's.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Why, do you fancy her?

LOL! Oh c'mon londontsi. Who wouldn't want to wake up next to this beautiful face that seems to have more oil on it than Baku's oilfields?





Natural beauty resting on the naturally oily beaches of the Caspian.





"I love the smell of freshly refined oil on my private beach in the morning." - thinks Mehriban Aliyeva as she reaches near orgasm.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenia and the information war

True, Armenians have an "eternal" enemy.

Yes, you have each other.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Could you remind us what these "politicians" were planning? Serious question, I don't know much about armenian politics in 90's.

Vazgen Sarksyan and Karen Demirchyan were planning to sell Armenia to the USA (West) and cut off ties with Russia, which wouldn't be hard because if they succeeded, Armenia would not exist today.

Under the Goble Plan Armenia was to be expected to essentially abandon its border connection with Iran. A ten kilometer wide corridor along Armenia's southern border region with Iran, stretching from south-western Azerbaijan to eastern Nakhijevan was then to be internationalized. In return, Baku was to be expected to recognize Artsakh's independence. The overall intent/purpose of this Washingtonian project was to divert Central Asian energy distribution away from Russian control - as well as settling the dispute over Nagorno Karabakh independent of Moscow.

Again, we must bare in mind that this ambitious plan was hatched by officials in Washington during the mid-1990s. In other words, it was concocted during a time when Russia was on its knees and to a large extent at the mercy of the West. Taking advantage of Russia's weak political position at the time, Washington was more-or-less hoping for Yerevan to voluntarily disconnect itself from Iran, arguable Armenia's most strategic neighbor - for mere promises made by Western oil interests. By expecting it to abandon its border with Iran, Yerevan was essentially being asked to voluntarily complete the total encirclement and geopolitical isolation of the already embattled Armenian state. Incredibly, by not surprisingly, this potentially disastrous/suicidal plan seemed to have found willing partners in the highest echelons of the Armenian government.

There were indicators at the time that Prime Minister Vazgen Sarkisian and National Assembly Speaker Karen Demirjian had at least preliminarily accepted Washington's aforementioned proposals. Thus, Armenian officials were, at least preliminarily, getting ready to partake in the West's agenda in the Caucasus. Shortly before their deaths, Vazgen Sarkisian and Karen Demirjian were publicly stating that Yerevan will no longer allow itself to be subservient to Moscow and that Armenia will seek better relations with the West. This very significant development in Armenian politics at the time was unmistakably a direct political message to Moscow and it had come soon after Vazgen Sarkisian's working visit to Washington. Needless to say, one can just imagine the indignation and rage Kremlin officials must have felt at the time.

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/2010/11/eleven-years-ago-today-gunmen-burst.html

[Mos]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Vazgen Sarksyan and Karen Demirchyan were planning to sell Armenia to the USA (West) and cut off ties with Russia, which wouldn't be hard because if they succeeded, Armenia would not exist today.

Source?

[londontsi]

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Yes, you have each other.

I detect desperation in your comment.


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[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Vazgen Sarksyan and Karen Demirchyan were planning to sell Armenia to the USA (West) and cut off ties with Russia, which wouldn't be hard because if they succeeded, Armenia would not exist today.

...... Needless to say, one can just imagine the indignation and rage Kremlin officials must have felt at the time.[/I]

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...men-burst.html

You are effectively suggesting Russia had to gain from their murder, therefore it was done for the benefit of Russian interests.

So the culprit was either the long arm of Russia or pro Russian forces in Armenia.

Somebody who seems to walk with Russian blind man stick probably this is not what you wanted to imply.


You may find this document “How the "Goble Plan" was born and how it remains a political factor” from 2002

http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/reliefweb_pdf/node-65016.pdf

in which the Armenian position in international law terms was stated.
I will remind you that The President and foreign minister at the time were Kocharyan and Oskanian and not the murdered.

Armenian President Robert Kocharian disclosed in February that international mediators had resurrected the prospect of a
territorial exchange to resolve the Karabakh conflict, and that Kocharian discussed that possibility during one of his meetings
with his Azerbaijani counterpart, Heidar Aliev. But both Kocharian and Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian have said
repeatedly that the Armenian side rejected such a territorial exchange out of hand. Oskanian stated in a TV interview on 4
June that "this issue is closed." He added that the international community cannot coerce any state to cede part of its territory,
and that Armenia therefore "has nothing to worry about," according to Snark.

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[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

LOL! Oh c'mon londontsi. Who wouldn't want to wake up next to this beautiful face that seems to have more oil on it than Baku's oilfields?





Natural beauty resting on the naturally oily beaches of the Caspian.





"I love the smell of freshly refined oil on my private beach in the morning." - thinks Mehriban Aliyeva as she reaches near orgasm.

At least she is half Azerbaboon ........... the other half being plastic!

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[Tigranakert]

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You are effectively suggesting Russia had to gain from their murder, therefore it was done for the benefit of Russian interests.

So the culprit was either the long arm of Russia or pro Russian forces in Armenia.

Somebody who seems to walk with Russian blind man stick probably this is not what you wanted to imply.

You may find this document “How the "Goble Plan" was born and how it remains a political factor” from 2002

http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/reliefweb_pdf/node-65016.pdf

in which the Armenian position in international law terms was stated.
I will remind you that The President and foreign minister at the time were Kocharyan and Oskanian and not the murdered.

Armenian President Robert Kocharian disclosed in February that international mediators had resurrected the prospect of a
territorial exchange to resolve the Karabakh conflict, and that Kocharian discussed that possibility during one of his meetings
with his Azerbaijani counterpart, Heidar Aliev. But both Kocharian and Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian have said
repeatedly that the Armenian side rejected such a territorial exchange out of hand. Oskanian stated in a TV interview on 4
June that "this issue is closed." He added that the international community cannot coerce any state to cede part of its territory,
and that Armenia therefore "has nothing to worry about," according to Snark.
.

Vazgen and Karen wanted to form a partnership and would have been even more popular than Kocharian, probably they would have won the upcoming elections, thus they had to be removed. It was both in the interests of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia, as our interests coincide most of the time. Anyways, it still remains very vague and unclear, and one can only form mere opinions about it.

The important thing is that the political course Armenia took since Kocharian (and now under Serge Sergysyan), is the right one.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Vazgen and Karen wanted to form a partnership and would have been even more popular than Kocharian, probably they would have won the upcoming elections, thus they had to be removed.

It was both in the interests of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia, as our interests coincide most of the time.

Anyways, it still remains very vague and unclear, and one can only form mere opinions about it.

The important thing is that the political course Armenia took since Kocharian (and now under Serge Sergysyan), is the right one.

I think you have a sick man’s mentality (politically).
You do not understand that Armenian people and Armenian state have to have the same course.
That is called democracy.

I doubt you understand or believe in democracy.
Your idiotic statements have the aim of discrediting Armenian-Russian strategic partnership.

Probably you are CIA plant working towards that aim.

Additionally Armenia’s political issue is not about finding a strategic partner
since this has already been established as a long term project through the relevant security and other treaties.

Armenia’s political issues are poor governance, unfair distribution of national wealth, corruption – financial, legal etc, lack of economic growth etc.

Politicians use diversionary tactics to focus elseware and find excuses for not tackling the above.