Armenia and the information war

[Armanen]

Re: Armenia and the information war

LTP is not fake opposition. He commands a space in the spectrum of the opposition forces.
He seems to have a loyal following though weakening of late.
Whether you agree with him or not it is a different matter.

I am not nervous of LTP at all. As far as I can judge he is a spent force.
I would go as far to say he is “useful” as a political entity in society to exert force on the authorities to keep to the straight and narrow.
Short of a treasonable/undemocratic action, politically he has a nuisance value, mainly because
his party is all about him and not some ideology or core values say compared to the ARF.

Unfortunately the Presidents we have had have been bad, each to a different degree.

I would call a President good ( including the present one since he still has time to finish his term)
if he can change the unjust economic structures that exist in Armenia to the detriment of the welfare of its people.
I have in mind the oligarchic, monopolistic structures, the “encouragement” of emigration and dependence on foreign remittances to support families, etc.

As far as I am aware this is not even seen as an issue.
Only recently the minister responsible was stating things are not bad at all!!! because the demography of Russia is worse. What a moron.

What you want to occur is happening and although it may not be moving along as quickly as we would all like, progress is being made. All of the changes that we'd like to see take time and there is not a single country in the world where they occurred in less than a generation or two.

[Davo88]

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I like Aliyev's tie, it has the colours of the Armenian flag on it.

[londontsi]

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Aliyev Continues to Revise History

Azeri president Ilham Aliyev

BAKU (APA)—Azeri President Ilham Aliyev, in remarks Tuesday to the World Azerbaijani Congress, claimed that Yerevan and Zangezur were Azeri lands that were “granted” to Armenia, adding that Azerbaijan would spare no effort, including military, to ensure what he called its territorial integrity.

“Armenia knows very well that they are guests in Nagorno-Karabakh. The Armenian state was established in historical Azerbaijani land – Yerevan and Zangazur. The Turkic world was geographically separated, as Zangazur was given to Armenia,” said Aliyev while pledging to continue the talks.

Aliyev added that ensuring Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity is one of the major issues facing the country.

In his speech he noted that international organizations had passed resolutions on the Karabakh problem, which remained unfulfilled because of what he described as Armenia’s “unconstructive position”.

“Yerevan has to understand that Azerbaijan’s potential cannot be compared with Armenia’s capability. Azerbaijan’s economic potential is ten times greater than Armenia’s economic potential. Armenia has no power to compete with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan’s military expenditure is 50 percent more than Armenia’s budget,” the president said, echoing remarks made in his speech at a military parade on June 26, Armed Forces Day.

http://asbarez.com/96828/aliyev-cont...evise-history/

It is not his fault.
The longer leash you allow to a dog the further it will try to go.

This is not something that the village idiot is saying but the President of a hostile neighbouring country.
If this had happened with any other country the diplomatic furore, the international propaganda, the description of it as a scandal etc. would have been intense.
It should should have caused the collapse of any further peace discussions etc.

The total indifference from our side is simply unbelievable, as if to suggest “we agree with you but .....”.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

What you want to occur is happening and although it may not be moving along as quickly as we would all like, progress is being made.

All of the changes that we'd like to see take time and there is not a single country in the world where they occurred in less than a generation or two.

I agree to action such changes takes time because things have to go through stages and processes before reaching to the intended goal.
Some of the key indicators of “change is in the air” are:
Announcement of important policy changes
Discussions/debates of the alternative approaches
Gradual actions taken to “evolve” to the intended course.

None these are happening.
Can you explain what actions have been taken to that effect.


I have heard politicians making promises and not keeping them, but never heard promises which will be achieved in two generations!!!.
In two generations most Armenians alive today will be dead, its like making promises to a dead man.

Change has to happen, gradually.
Has to be seen and expected to keep peoples moral high about the future.

NONE OF IT IS HAPPENING FOR ONE SIMPLE GOOD REASON.
IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PRESENT FORCES IN POWER
THEY ARE HAPPY AND CONTENT WITH THINGS AS THEY ARE.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia and the information war

I agree to action such changes takes time because things have to go through stages and processes before reaching to the intended goal.
Some of the key indicators of “change is in the air” are:
Announcement of important policy changes
Discussions/debates of the alternative approaches
Gradual actions taken to “evolve” to the intended course.

None these are happening.
Can you explain what actions have been taken to that effect.

I have heard politicians making promises and not keeping them, but never heard promises which will be achieved in two generations!!!.
In two generations most Armenians alive today will be dead, its like making promises to a dead man.

Change has to happen, gradually.
Has to be seen and expected to keep peoples moral high about the future.

NONE OF IT IS HAPPENING FOR ONE SIMPLE GOOD REASON.
IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PRESENT FORCES IN POWER
THEY ARE HAPPY AND CONTENT WITH THINGS AS THEY ARE.

President of Azerbaijan falsifies history and imposes it on people - Armenian MFA

July 06, 2011 | 18:12
YEREVAN. - Armenian MFA commented on Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev’s statement at Congress of World Azerbaijanis that Armenians are guests in Karabakh and Armenian State is built on historic Azerbaijani lands.

“These kinds of pearls from the president of Azerbaijan are amusing, taken into account that Azerbaijan is a county that could not be found on the world map a century ago. Most probably this is the hidden motive for barbarous extermination of centuries-old cultural heritage of Armenians and everything that reminds of Armenians on the territory of a state that is called Azerbaijan today,” reads the statement of Armenian MFA.

Commenting upon the statement of Azerbaijani president on the military factor, Armenian MFA stressed that during the years of Azerbaijani aggression against the right for self-determination of Nagorno-Karabakh (Artsakh) Republic, when Azerbaijani youngsters were sent to the frontline as a cannon fodder, Aliyev was far away.

“Aliev is still far away from the frontline, not only ignorant of the history of the region but also of international law and the actual essence of negotiation process. He lives in a world of illusions. In the event of renewed hostilities, it is difficult to say, the capital of which state would agree to shelter Mr. Aliyev,” reads the statement of Armenian MFA.

[Tigranakert]

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Inspiring speech..

[ninetoyadome]

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azeris are again threatening to shoot down civilian planes headed toward Karabakh
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Azerbaijan’s remarks to destruct Armenian planes flying to Khankandi in force
Wed 06 July 2011 06:15 GMT | -1:15 Local Time
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The CIS Interstate Aviation Committee will not give a certificate to the Khankandi airport situated in occupied Nagorno Karabakh region of Azerbaijan.
The statement came from Director of Azerbaijan State Civil Aviation Administration (ASCAA) Arif Mammadov.

Mammadov said that the abovementioned issue was discussed during the visit of chairman of CIS Interstate Aviation Committee to Baku.

'We have also discussed the issue with him, and expressed our position. The chairman promised that the Interstate Aviation Committee will not conduct any work without Azerbaijani side’s consent. Even if there is the appeal of Armenia, the certificate will not be given to the airport', underlined Mammadov.

Saying that the warning of ASCAA given to Armenian side in the line of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) was not responded, Mamadov noted that the Armenians postponed the opening of the airport after the warning given via ICAO.

'If any country carries out flights to the occupied territories, acting contrary to Azerbaijan’s demands, the economic sanctions will be used against these countries' said Mammadov and underlined that the information on purchase the equipments from Turkey for construction the airport released by Karabakh Armenians is determined and it was false.

The administration chief said that Azerbaijan’s statements on usage of physical destruction of Armenian planes, which will fly to Khankandi, remain in force: 'It is the right of Azerbaijani side basing on the law of “Aviation”. The government will decide whether to use this right or not'.

Commenting on Armenia’s statements that this country will close the air corridor on it to the Azerbaijani planes, the Administration chief said that Baku doesn’t need this corridor: 'It is possible to carry out any flight without that corridor. For example, we can use Parsabad-Julfa line for flying to Nakhchivan. At the same time, if Yerevan closes its air corridor, Azerbaijan can decide on closing its air space to Armenian planes in response to it'. (Didn't they already close the airspace? They prevent planes headed to Armenia from flying over azerbaijan http://news.am/eng/news/28157.html)

APA

[Federate]

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Lmao.
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Hollywood movie about Georgia-Russia war has a gross mistake on Azerbaijan - PHOTOS
06 July 2011 [17:30] - Today.Az


Some time ago, a movie directed by Renny Harlin (yes the same Renny Harlin, who brought us such fantastic action movies as Die Hard with Bruce Willis), about the Georgia-Russia 2008 war.

The movie starred some very well known faces, such as Val Kilmer (portraying a war journalist) and Andy Garcia (playing Mikhail Saakashvili). The movie was great, good action scenes, however there was one mistake, that shouldnt be forgotten for sure. Take a look at the picture below:




Yes, that's a screencap from the movie. The film frequently shows CNN live broadcasts from the warzone, and they have these backgrounds of South Caucasus Map...and guess what... Azerbaijan on this very map is shown without Nakhchivan, which is shown...as part of Armenia. Since this does not have any connections with Azerbaijan or Armenia, its strange to see this kind of "mistake", and what's worse - is that you cannot just "delete" this from the movie. However, we urge everyone who cares, write a message to CNN, and express your opinion on this. We feel this is important, and we should let them know what we think. Below is a formal text letter that you can use.


"Hello,

I would like to point out a mistake that CNN made, in connection with Azerbaijan. Recently a movie about Georgian-Russian war of 2008 has been released (5 Days of August, directed by Renny Harlin), and the film features some short scenes, where the live CNN reports are being featured, and the map of South Caucasus region is displayed in the background. On that map the territory of Azerbaijan is shown without the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic (which is of course a part of Azerbaijan), and instead, according to the map, it belongs to Armenia.

This mistake is gross, as this is being shown worldwide in a movie that has nothing to do with Azerbaijan or Armenia, and I am very sorry that CNN allowed such thing to happen. I urge you to be more careful in the future when using maps of the S. Caucasus region, as some of them (as the one demonstrated in the movie) can be absolutely false. Sadly, these facts spread wrong information about Azerbaijan around the world.

I sincerely hope that such mistakes will be avoided in the future.

Thank you.

NAME SURNAME"



You can use THIS FORM to compile your letter.


/Today.Az/

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Unfortunately kitty, they do mean something in modern day politics. As xxxx Western people like you don't give a xxxx about justice or human rights, nations like Turkey and Azerbaijan can get away with their crimes, and they are justifying their deeds with lies and falsifications which are becoming bigger everyday.

Historically seen, Armenian territories are under occupation, but history and justice don't mean a thing in this world. Armenians have to realize that it's only might that makes right. Armenians should learn from their European (and Turkish) counterparts, we should become far more aggressive in our policy and should not think of what is "right" or "just", but only of what is beneficial to Armenia and Armenians.

Spotty-faced kids of limited intelligence like you can go on and on posting silly messages. But we can be thankful that intelligent adults handle Armenia's and NK's foreign policies. Aghdam is not claimed by NK as part of its territories becase it is not part of NK. NK does not claim ANY territory by right of conquest - it merely claims the right of the native population of NK to be able to live freely and safely within their own lands.

Would you cite some examples of those "numerous ancient Armenian monuments" you claim exist near Aghdam. Maybe you could think about it while you are applying your daily dose of acne-creme.

[Tigranakert]

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Spotty-faced kids of limited intelligence like you can go on and on posting silly messages. But we can be thankful that intelligent adults handle Armenia's and NK's foreign policies. Aghdam is not claimed by NK as part of its territories becase it is not part of NK. NK does not claim ANY territory by right of conquest - it merely claims the right of the native population of NK to be able to live freely and safely within their own lands.

Would you cite some examples of those "numerous ancient Armenian monuments" you claim exist near Aghdam. Maybe you could think about it while you are applying your daily dose of acne-creme.

It's obvious you don't have a clue about what is going on in the region nor about the politics, but as always you hallucinate as if you know everything. It's a pity I am spending my time responding on some old Scottish guy who, at is late age he has, likes to talk about sex on the internet (see your old posts). But what else to expect from a nation which couldn't even obtain fully independency and plagued by one of the highest rate of criminal crimes, abuses, rapes and drunk people in the world.

Agham is officially part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (Artsakh, which is what I said), I was not speaking about the old-outdated "region" of Nagorno-Karabakh known during the Soviet years.

And about the monuments, just recently they stumbled upon a huge ancient Armenia archealogical site (tigranakert.am). And Armenian monuments are scattered all around the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, as I have been there contrary to you, you can find dozens of Armenian Churches and other ancient graveyards in all the regions outside of the "old-Karabakh" borders (Kelbajar, Lachin, Aghdam, Fizuli, etc.), from times when the Azerbaboons didn't even exist.

And even in regions like Nachichevan, which you have visited as one of the last persons, you could find numerous ancient Armenian heritage which has been destroyed to the ground today. And in Turkey, and other regions of Azerbaijan, and Northern-Iran for that sake.

Besides that the West is imperialist and doesn't give a xxxx about human rights or Armenians, you are also a good example of the level of stupidness of Europeans in general (especially among the political elite). If it was not up to Russians, Armenia would be non-existent today.