Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[bell-the-cat]

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That idiot says 1.5 million armos left in the last 10 years.

Why are you picking out the only bit of truth in his rant? You should be pointing out the fact that a common element in a lot of the Azeri propaganda,and in this one, is the explicit connection they make between the Armenian genocide and current relations and conditions. This is a fundamental weakness in Azeri state ideology that is just asking to be exploited.

[Mher]

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Why are you picking out the only bit of truth in his rant?

Not even since 1991 have 1.5 million left Armenia. There was about zero net population change 2004-2008, and about 200K during the economic downturn. Armenia's real population is about 2.5-2.9 million today.

[Chubs]

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Not even since 1991 have 1.5 million left Armenia. There was about zero net population change 2004-2008, and about 200K during the economic downturn. Armenia's real population is about 2.5-2.9 million today.

Nkr not included correct?

[Mher]

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Nkr not included correct?

Correct. I don't have an accurate non govt figure for NKR

But as far as the Republic Armenia:
Most of the emmigration happened in the first 10 years when it was the same story all across the former Soviet States. About 600,000 during the war years, and another 400,000 95-2001. The population situation had in large part stabilized prior to the economic downturn. About 80 percent of those who emigrated 2002-07 returned. It was really the economic downturn that made emigration a topic of discussion again and an imminent threat. We probably lost another 200,000 2008-2013, more so in 2008-10 when the economy was in free fall. Hopefully we see some optimism and improvement this year.

[bell-the-cat]

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Not even since 1991 have 1.5 million left Armenia. There was about zero net population change 2004-2008, and about 200K during the economic downturn. Armenia's real population is about 2.5-2.9 million today.

The population of Armenia was about 3.5 million in 1989/1990 according to the official figures. And is probably about 2.5 million today (it is hard to believe a 3 million figure - there are sources that talk about this being an impossible figure based on election turnout % figures). So let's say it is one million less than 1990. However, there has also been a big number of Armenians arriving: from NK (100,000?) and also Azerbaijan (another 100,000? or more?) and lesser numbers from Syria, Georgia, etc. Say 250,000 arrivals. That makes an out migration of some 1.25 milllion people. Not the Azeri idiot's 1.5 million, but close enough to it.

[hrai]

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Why are you picking out the only bit of truth in his rant? You should be pointing out the fact that a common element in a lot of the Azeri propaganda,and in this one, is the explicit connection they make between the Armenian genocide and current relations and conditions. This is a fundamental weakness in Azeri state ideology that is just asking to be exploited.

Whoosh......I'm afraid

[Chubs]

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The population of Armenia was about 3.5 million in 1989/1990 according to the official figures. And is probably about 2.5 million today (it is hard to believe a 3 million figure - there are sources that talk about this being an impossible figure based on election turnout % figures). So let's say it is one million less than 1990. However, there has also been a big number of Armenians arriving: from NK (100,000?) and also Azerbaijan (another 100,000? or more?) and lesser numbers from Syria, Georgia, etc. Say 250,000 arrivals. That makes an out migration of some 1.25 milllion people. Not the Azeri idiot's 1.5 million, but close enough to it.

The official population is 2.9 million. Some people would include nkr which makes the population around 3.1 million. 140-150 thousand in NKR. Thats just what i hear. I think this is getting a little bit offtopic

[bell-the-cat]

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The official population is 2.9 million. Some people would include nkr which makes the population around 3.1 million. 140-150 thousand in NKR. Thats just what i hear. I think this is getting a little bit offtopic

If you search for reports on the aftermath of the most recent elections in Armenia, there was analysis about the voting patterns and turnout percentages. Some commentators pointed out that they inadvertantly revealed that the actual number of voters was smaller than the turnout expected from a 2.9 million population.

NK is not part of ROA's territory so its population won't be included in ROA's official population figure - NK has its own official population statistics. It was 300,000 before the war it is said - and 100,000 Armenians and 50,000 Azeris later left. That 100,000 figure I gave for Armenians who left Azerbaijan proper (not including those who left NK) should probably be higher than that number.

[Mher]

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The population of Armenia was about 3.5 million in 1989/1990 according to the official figures. And is probably about 2.5 million today (it is hard to believe a 3 million figure - there are sources that talk about this being an impossible figure based on election turnout % figures). So let's say it is one million less than 1990. However, there has also been a big number of Armenians arriving: from NK (100,000?) and also Azerbaijan (another 100,000? or more?) and lesser numbers from Syria, Georgia, etc. Say 250,000 arrivals. That makes an out migration of some 1.25 milllion people. Not the Azeri idiot's 1.5 million, but close enough to it.

If you search for reports on the aftermath of the most recent elections in Armenia, there was analysis about the voting patterns and turnout percentages. Some commentators pointed out that they inadvertantly revealed that the actual number of voters was smaller than the turnout expected from a 2.9 million population.

NK is not part of ROA's territory so its population won't be included in ROA's official population figure - NK has its own official population statistics. It was 300,000 before the war it is said - and 100,000 Armenians and 50,000 Azeris later left. That 100,000 figure I gave for Armenians who left Azerbaijan proper (not including those who left NK) should probably be higher than that number.

According to the official 1989 Soviet Census, the population of Armenia was only 3.3 million, of which Armenians compromised only 3.08 million, or 93%. However today Armenia is about 98% Armenian, so a notable part of the decline was also non-Armenians leaving. I just learned this for the first time which gets me wondering why do people always start the conversation with: in 1990 the population of Armenia was 4 million.

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Also, this leads me to another very important question I that I never thought about: How the hell is Azerbaijan's supposed population 9 million.
According to the official 1989 census, the population of the country was 7.02 million, of which 5.8 million were Azeris and 400k Armenian. How the hell did that figure grow to 9 million, especially considering 1991-1996 was worse for them than Armenia and their reproduction rate was the same as Armenia pre-independence. We'd heard of ex soviet states faking data to hide population loss, but you're gonna claim your population increased by 30 percent in your worst years? This really makes me even question our estimations of the 5.5-6.0 million actual current Azerbaijan population.

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I would say 2.5 million a solid guess. but even that would only be 500,000 net loss, not 1,500,000. As far as the election numbers, I've wondered that too, but being in Armenia around the May 2012 election time, a lot of people I spoke to weren't voting because of apathy, assuming it would make no difference, and polls have shown this, so that might explain that

[Eddo211]

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Why are you picking out the only bit of truth in his rant? You should be pointing out the fact that a common element in a lot of the Azeri propaganda,and in this one, is the explicit connection they make between the Armenian genocide and current relations and conditions. This is a fundamental weakness in Azeri state ideology that is just asking to be exploited.

I have told you before Bells you don't belong in this thread (Turks and Azeris do but you don't)......and everytime you post here you try to take the thread off its subject with your false info.
GTFO