Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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Iranian media: Iran can be attacked from Azerbaijan’s territory



Martial law is announced in Iran’s northwestern border. According to MIGnews.com quoting Iranian media, Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) subdivisions and military equipment accumulate at the border with Azerbaijan. Iranian military officials explain that measure by location of United States and Israeli air force subdivisions in Azerbaijan’s territory meanwhile mentioning that the bombers were brought to Azerbaijan through Georgia.

According to Iranian DEBKAfile analysts, Iran has at least three reasons to accumulate arms: United States and Israeli military subdivisions are indeed located in Azerbaijan, Iran responds to location of American-Israeli flotilla in the Persian Bay or Iranian troops accumulate due to growing interethnic tension since Sunni terrorist group leader Abdul-Malik Rigi was hanged on June 20.

According to Iranian Asriran.com, Israel will hit Iran using the territories of Georgia and Azerbaijan. According to the source, this new strategic plan of Israel was worked out after military agreements with Turkey were cancelled. The source also draws attention to the circumstance that Azerbaijani parliament has endorsed new Military Concept lately what allows location of foreign troops in country’s territory.

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Armenians Must Take Bold, Pre-emptive Measures to Counter all Hostile Acts

Having been victimized by many conquerors throughout history, Armenians have developed a strong instinct for survival. To stay out of trouble, they have learned to be loyal and even subservient to the states that ruled over them.
　
While Armenians gained plenty of “moral victories,” their actual battlefield successes have been few and far between. One has to go back to two thousand years to find a rare example of a conquering Armenian ruler, King Tigran the Great (140-55 BC) whose vast empire extended from the Caspian to the Mediterranean Sea. In the modern era, prior to the Armenian Genocide, Armenian Freedom Fighters (Fedayees) fought back against the murderous Turks and Kurdish mercenaries. During the Genocide and its immediate aftermath (1915-1923), the Armenians of Shabin Karahisar, Ourfa, Van, Musa Dagh, Aintab, Hajin, Sassoun, and Zeitoun bravely defended themselves, while 1.5 million of their kinsmen were slaughtered like sheep. The heroic Battle of Sardarabad saved the remnants of the Armenian people in Eastern Armenia, culminating in the establishment of the first Armenian Republic in 1918. Finally, beginning in 1988, brave young men and women battled the much larger and better armed forces of Azerbaijan to liberate Artsakh (Karabagh).
　
In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, many western missionaries, tradesmen, writers and adventurers, often described the Armenians they encountered in the Ottoman Empire as “cringing.” Canadian-Armenian website Keghart.com, in an editorial posted last week, quoted Dr. William Goodell’s depiction of the Armenians of Constantinople in 1871: “Four centuries of torture, of oppression, and of suspense have stamped its impress upon an entire community… constant fear, constant agony, constant humiliation have so crushed out every trace of manhood, that they are still cringing, fawning, an abject race. Several generations of happier descendants can alone efface the mental taints acquired in those long years of vassalage.”
　
Regrettably, many Armenians have yet to overcome the “slave mentality” -- deeply ingrained in their psyche -- inherited from ancestors who lived for centuries under foreign yoke. One comes across countless examples of self-effacing behavior in Armenian communities throughout the Diaspora and in Armenia itself. All too often Armenians meekly accept injustices and insults heaped on them by others.
　
It is high time that Armenians throw off their shackles and defend their inalienable rights. They must not remain silent in the face of abuse or physical attack, but respond appropriately without resorting to reckless actions that may endanger their communities or the homeland.
　
In the United States, for example, when elected officials, journalists or writers distort the facts of the Armenian Genocide, they must be severely criticized and discredited, so others would be warned to refrain from Genocide denial.
　
The most recent example of Armenian inaction is the feeble Armenian response to last week’s night-time attack by Azeri forces on Artsakh, causing the deaths of four Armenian soldiers and the wounding of four others. Beyond expressions of sympathy for the victims and condemning the attack, no concrete action was taken by Armenian officials.
　
In the aftermath of this vicious and unprovoked attack, Armenia should have announced the cancellation of the next round of negotiations with Azerbaijan over Artsakh. It is completely unacceptable to conduct peace talks, while Azerbaijan is engaged in warfare. Under these circumstances, Armenians have the right to take all possible actions to defend themselves from future attacks. Rather than merely issuing a condemnation, the Armenian side at a time of its choosing should carry out punishing pre-emptive strikes so that Azeris would think long and hard before mounting another attack. Azerbaijan should clearly understand that any further aggression on their part would:

1. Cause the suspension of the peace talks, thus delaying the resolution of the conflict rather than expediting the negotiating process.
2. Lead Armenia to eventually abandon all peace talks, since it has little to gain from these negotiations. Azerbaijan is the one that desperately needs to negotiate in order to secure concessions from Armenia.
3. Signal to the world that the government of Azerbaijan is not interested in finding a negotiated settlement to the conflict and is responsible for its collapse.
4. Discredit the good faith effort of the mediating countries – France, Russia and the United States.
5. Force Armenia to initiate military action, causing a disproportionate amount of destruction, even damaging the oil pipelines, in order to discourage Azerbaijan from further attacks.

Armenians must realize that they no longer live in the Ottoman Empire and are no one’s slave. They should shake off their psychological shackles and take all necessary measures to defend their national interest!

[KarotheGreat]

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Armenians Must Take Bold, Pre-emptive Measures to Counter all Hostile Acts

Having been victimized by many conquerors throughout history, Armenians have developed a strong instinct for survival. To stay out of trouble, they have learned to be loyal and even subservient to the states that ruled over them.
　
While Armenians gained plenty of “moral victories,” their actual battlefield successes have been few and far between. One has to go back to two thousand years to find a rare example of a conquering Armenian ruler, King Tigran the Great (140-55 BC) whose vast empire extended from the Caspian to the Mediterranean Sea. In the modern era, prior to the Armenian Genocide, Armenian Freedom Fighters (Fedayees) fought back against the murderous Turks and Kurdish mercenaries. During the Genocide and its immediate aftermath (1915-1923), the Armenians of Shabin Karahisar, Ourfa, Van, Musa Dagh, Aintab, Hajin, Sassoun, and Zeitoun bravely defended themselves, while 1.5 million of their kinsmen were slaughtered like sheep. The heroic Battle of Sardarabad saved the remnants of the Armenian people in Eastern Armenia, culminating in the establishment of the first Armenian Republic in 1918. Finally, beginning in 1988, brave young men and women battled the much larger and better armed forces of Azerbaijan to liberate Artsakh (Karabagh).
　
In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, many western missionaries, tradesmen, writers and adventurers, often described the Armenians they encountered in the Ottoman Empire as “cringing.” Canadian-Armenian website Keghart.com, in an editorial posted last week, quoted Dr. William Goodell’s depiction of the Armenians of Constantinople in 1871: “Four centuries of torture, of oppression, and of suspense have stamped its impress upon an entire community… constant fear, constant agony, constant humiliation have so crushed out every trace of manhood, that they are still cringing, fawning, an abject race. Several generations of happier descendants can alone efface the mental taints acquired in those long years of vassalage.”
　
Regrettably, many Armenians have yet to overcome the “slave mentality” -- deeply ingrained in their psyche -- inherited from ancestors who lived for centuries under foreign yoke. One comes across countless examples of self-effacing behavior in Armenian communities throughout the Diaspora and in Armenia itself. All too often Armenians meekly accept injustices and insults heaped on them by others.
　
It is high time that Armenians throw off their shackles and defend their inalienable rights. They must not remain silent in the face of abuse or physical attack, but respond appropriately without resorting to reckless actions that may endanger their communities or the homeland.
　
In the United States, for example, when elected officials, journalists or writers distort the facts of the Armenian Genocide, they must be severely criticized and discredited, so others would be warned to refrain from Genocide denial.
　
The most recent example of Armenian inaction is the feeble Armenian response to last week’s night-time attack by Azeri forces on Artsakh, causing the deaths of four Armenian soldiers and the wounding of four others. Beyond expressions of sympathy for the victims and condemning the attack, no concrete action was taken by Armenian officials.
　
In the aftermath of this vicious and unprovoked attack, Armenia should have announced the cancellation of the next round of negotiations with Azerbaijan over Artsakh. It is completely unacceptable to conduct peace talks, while Azerbaijan is engaged in warfare. Under these circumstances, Armenians have the right to take all possible actions to defend themselves from future attacks. Rather than merely issuing a condemnation, the Armenian side at a time of its choosing should carry out punishing pre-emptive strikes so that Azeris would think long and hard before mounting another attack. Azerbaijan should clearly understand that any further aggression on their part would:

1. Cause the suspension of the peace talks, thus delaying the resolution of the conflict rather than expediting the negotiating process.
2. Lead Armenia to eventually abandon all peace talks, since it has little to gain from these negotiations. Azerbaijan is the one that desperately needs to negotiate in order to secure concessions from Armenia.
3. Signal to the world that the government of Azerbaijan is not interested in finding a negotiated settlement to the conflict and is responsible for its collapse.
4. Discredit the good faith effort of the mediating countries – France, Russia and the United States.
5. Force Armenia to initiate military action, causing a disproportionate amount of destruction, even damaging the oil pipelines, in order to discourage Azerbaijan from further attacks.

Armenians must realize that they no longer live in the Ottoman Empire and are no one’s slave. They should shake off their psychological shackles and take all necessary measures to defend their national interest!

I've got an couple of problems with this articles.
first the history: they talk like after Tigran we had nothing no great king but they forget the Bagratuni and what they have done, they made Ani one of the greatest cities in the world next to Constantinople and Baghdad.
and than there is the kingdom of Cilicia, they were the last Christian to fall. They conquered the great city of Antioch, and were close to the gates of Edessa and were more powerful than the Turkish Sultanate and many more Muslim and Christian rulers around them.

And second you say no respond what is this:

The entire world knows that it was Azerbaijan that violated the ceasefire in the contact line between the Azerbaijani and Nagorno-Karabakh armed forces, on June 18, RA President Serzh Sargsyan said in Berlin. The Armenian leader spoke of the international community’s calm response to an act of sabotage by Azerbaijan, which killed four Armenian soldiers and injured another four.

“So what? The OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairs, the EU Representative for the South Caucasus make general assessments of to the incident, calling on the sides to avoid provocations. What sides do they mean? Who is to blame for this incident? We - Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh - signed a trilateral ceasefire agreement in 1994. We signed an agreement with Azerbaijan’s assistance and Russia’s mediation. Thus, we undertook legal commitments not to violate the ceasefire,” he added.

Citing Martin Luther King, the RA President expressed hope that one day a real dialogue with Armenia’s neighbors will be started and all the sides will gather around one table, as it meets the region’s interests. “I am sure that a day will come when, asked whether a dialogue is possible in our region, we will say ‘yes’,” Sargsyan said.

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Citing Martin Luther King, the RA President expressed hope that one day a real dialogue with Armenia’s neighbors will be started and all the sides will gather around one table, as it meets the region’s interests. “I am sure that a day will come when, asked whether a dialogue is possible in our region, we will say ‘yes’,” Sargsyan said.

I will not want to sit with Azeris at a table. They can't be trusted. You have to crush them for them to shut up and behave (first NK war). Plus Azerbaijan has become a 24/7 anti-armenian propaganda machine, they probably have a whole agency dedicated to writing all the BS that they come up with..

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I will not want to sit with Azeris at a table. They can't be trusted. You have to crush them for them to shut up and behave (first NK war). Plus Azerbaijan has become a 24/7 anti-armenian propaganda machine, they probably have a whole agency dedicated to writing all the BS that they come up with..

We can not restart the war, we are in the best defensive position possible so restarting the war would not be good for us. And the peace talks are needed they have going on for 16 years and nothing has changed when you look at the situation in 1994 so sitting at the table means nothing more than talking.

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Turkey "The military assistance we offered to Azerbaijan exceeded 200 million US dollars"



Amman. Rashad Suleymanov APA. Turkish Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul gives an interview to APA

- How do you evaluate current level of the Azerbaijan-Turkey military cooperation? Are you satisfied with the outcomes?

- We have established cooperation in a number of defense sector spheres since Azerbaijan reached its independence and this process is continuing now. There is good cooperation on the training and military education sphere. Azerbaijani officers have an opportunity to get education at the Turkish military schools. Turkish officers are instructing the Azerbaijani armed forces. We are working together at the defense industry sector as well and it is developing. Yesterday two Turkish companies ASELSAN and MKE signed agreements with the relevant organizations of Azerbaijan about the joint production, which can be good example of the cooperation. MKE will participate in the production of ammunitions in Azerbaijan. ASELSAN will join the production of night vision devices and thermal cameras in Azerbaijan.

- Turkey leads the countries offering military assistance to Azerbaijan. Can you inform us about the latest figures?

- According to the reports I have, the military assistance we offered to Azerbaijan exceeded 200 million US dollars.

-What projects will be implemented jointly in the following years? Media reports that Azerbaijan is interested in participating in the projects of Altay national tank, ATAK helicopter.

-Azerbaijans participation in these projects is possible. Azerbaijan can participate in these projects if it wishes. At present, ATAK helicopter is being produced with participation of Italy and Turkey. But if Azerbaijan wishes it can join the production from the beginning.

-What can you say about the activities concerning ATAK project?

-The engine is being renewed. The engine was produced and tested in America. It is a powerful engine. Other systems are being tested at present. If tests are successful, the helicopter will be assembled.

-Do you think that Turkey and Azerbaijan can sign agreement on military partnership? Is there a need for it?

-Agreements, contracts have been signed on all spheres of the defense sector in Azerbaijan. This cooperation already has legal sides. We are the sons of the same nation. We are ready to cooperate with Azerbaijan in all spheres.

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=122056

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Azerbaijan May Join Turkey's New Tank Manufacturing Project, Bureaucrat

BAKU - A senior Turkish bureaucrat said on Friday that Azerbaijan might join Turkey`s project to manufacture new tanks.
Murad Bayar, the undersecretary for Turkish Defense Industries, said that Turkey aimed to manufacture new tanks for the Turkish Armed Forces.

"Some of these tanks could be manufactured in Azerbaijan, and some can be produced in Turkey," Bayar told "Milaz" news agency --the first private military information agency in Azerbaijan.

The bureaucrat expressed thought that a related agreement could be signed and the project could be launched within this month.

Bayar said that Turkey also planned to modernize its actual tanks including "Leopard" (Germany) and "M-60" (USA), and told the agency that Turkey proposed Azerbaijan to modernize its T-72 tanks.

"We may make joint production with Azerbaijan in line with this country`s needs in the future," Bayar also said.

Bayar enumerated the areas in which Turkey and Azerbaijan could cooperate as manufacturing military ships, unmanned aircraft and infantry rifle.

The Turkish bureaucrat said that Turkey was cooperating with not only Azerbaijan but also with Kazakhstan, Georgia, Balkan countries, former East Bloc countries, particularly Poland, in the area of defense industry.

Accompanied by representatives of several Turkish defense industry institutions including ASELSAN and Roketsan, Bayar paid a visit to the Azerbaijani capital of Baku between July 7th and 11th.

During the visit, Bayar visited Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Defense Industry, Ministry of National Security and some military facilities.

"Milaz" is a news agency founded recently by a few Azerbaijani non-governmental organizations and research institutions. It is dealing with military and defense issues in Azerbaijan and its vicinity.

One of the main tasks of the Undersecretariat for Turkish Defense Industries is to re-organize and integrate the existing national industry so as to satisfy defence industry requirements, encourage new enterprises and channel them according to the integration and requirements, seek possibilities for foreign capital and technology contribution, guide enterprises and make plans for state participation in this respect.

The Turkish defense industry is forecast to have an annual export figure of 1.5 billion USD within three years.

(BRC-CE)

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=242528

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I am sure Turkish special forces operate in Azerbaijan against NKR Army.....we need to capture one of them.

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