Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Tsov]

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Armenian Army

What do you guys think these things will be useful for?

Will they be able to immobilize a T-90s? They're basically combined RPG-7s right?

[londontsi]

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What do you guys think these things will be useful for?

Will they be able to immobilize a T-90s? They're basically combined RPG-7s right?

They are thermobaric warheads.
It may not penetrate the tank body but do not know if the crew would survive
the thermobaric effect, deprivation of oxygen etc.

They seem to be primarily for buildings, bunkers etc.
I am no an expert.
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[Eddo211]

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Using aircrafts in modern warfare is a suicide in these days. Aircrafts are definitely losing their importance. The war in Ukraine is a very good exemple of that.

The only thing our army needs are long rage ballistic missiles.

Its exactly backwards of what you saying........WWII and on showed us the importance of air support and air superiority.

I take back what I said. Air superiority alone cannot win wars but without it you are sitting ducks.

There are many ways to shake off a missile in flight.
Manoeuvers
Chaffs
Radar jamming
frequency scramble
Altitude
Missile detection and tracking.

You ask anybody in military they will say the same. We get air superiority and then we send in troops and equipment. Air superiority does not destroy all the enemy but delivers major blow and what we call (soften the target).

one example. their are many in the know that agree.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1972/nov-dec/wells.html

[burjuin]

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Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army

[burjuin]

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Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army

[edojan]

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Eddo..if you actually review everything that has been said by me and others..you can see why its not that simple..

Azerbaijan wont have an airforce left during an Armenian counter offensive.

Eddo is right you need strong AF it will be game changer!
What none of you considered is SIGINT and ELINT systems which can disable most of your air defenses! Israelis have sold this to them, we only can rely on s300 rest of our air defense is VERY vulnerable to jamming.
Read article below some stuff is blown out of proportion but mostly they are correct. if their jamming is marginally successful then we cant go beyond the mountains on our counteroffensive. We will have a standstill and have huge losses when we go to plains. Never underestimate Air Force (helicopters and su25''s) that Azerbaijan owns. They constantly upgrade them, most devastating of which is long range missiles, and close air support with their upgraded targeting system.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2015/05/04/azerbaijan-and-israels-aerospace-industry-a-worrying-concern-for-armenia-or-iran/

[argin]

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Eddo is right you need strong AF it will be game changer!
What none of you considered is SIGINT and ELINT systems which can disable most of your air defenses! Israelis have sold this to them, we only can rely on s300 rest of our air defense is VERY vulnerable to jamming.
Read article below some stuff is blown out of proportion but mostly they are correct. if their jamming is marginally successful then we cant go beyond the mountains on our counteroffensive. We will have a standstill and have huge losses when we go to plains. Never underestimate Air Force (helicopters and su25''s) that Azerbaijan owns. They constantly upgrade them, most devastating of which is long range missiles, and close air support with their upgraded targeting system.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest...menia-or-iran/

Wow this info in these articles got me disappointed,our response is gonna be a bit more challenging with them having such systems

[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[Artashes]

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Wow this info in these articles got me disappointed,our response is gonna be a bit more challenging with them having such systems

---- a bit more challenging ??? -----
We have always been grossly outnumbered for a long time. We have been grossly challenged for how long ...
These things we've discussed have and are being addressed by the best we have ... Seyran etc.
Hopefully , these freaks to our west won't attack full force at least till we're stronger.
Unfortunately , that is their intent. Both their stated intent and their physical conduct .
We are ready now and continue to prepare for --- ALL --- we are worth .
The entire world can bet the farm on this ... We are going to fight .
The monkeys know that .

[londontsi]

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Undoubtedly an effective air force would give an advantage on the war theatre.
Yes it is very desirable to have an effective air force.

So would it take to have an effective air force.

Lets take things from where we are and how does the desire for an effective air force pan out.

First thing first

We need planes, maybe 50 –60.
To buy them we need big bucks.

Then we need to prepare pilots.
Bringing them up to a standard they need many hours of flight time.
To achieve this you need fuel, ( lots of it) maintenance and wastage.
More big bucks.
Additionally you need time, a lot of it.

Do we have the time and money?

On the other hand what does it take to incapacitate the opposition air force.
All I will say is much much less.

Secret of winning wars is not to go head to head with the enemy but avoid their strengths and take advantage of their vulnerabilities.
Whether we like it or not one of the strengths of Azerbaijan, compared to us, they have big bucks.
Diverting resources to big bucks projects is like fighting Azerbaijan against their strength.

Our strengths are our mountains.
Are we going to leave our mountains and take to the skies?

If there is a war most likely it will quickly evolve into artillery duels with around 20 km strip of dead zone.
A lot of destruction and loss of life and not much headway. Not in the short term anyway.
Its important that this destructed zone is in their territory.

If we really want an air force lets invest in a fleet of drones where the pilots can even be grandmas.
They can support our ground troops and our special forces.