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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by ArmeniaSacra View Post
    May you got me wrong bro...a Yak-150 costs about 15mil a unit for 200mil we can get like 10 or a bit more...Be optimistic and say 15 units..what's that gonna change in the balance? What will a Yak-130 do against the current Azeri air defense? let alone the costs of maintaining them...i'd rather see this money spend on other equipment
    Its time to upgrade our air force. A good amount of our tanks and apcs are modernized so its the air forces turn.

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by ArmeniaSacra View Post
      http://armenpress.am/eng/news/809711...n-dollars.html

      Armenia will finish the year with a debt of 4.9 billion dollars...that's around 40% of the GDP which will hopefully hit 11 billion this year. Somewhat acceptable.

      The 200 million $ loan, if used appropriately, could significantly boost our capabilities if directed towards a single unit...like missile forces or air-defense. I know that idea of having jets is tempting but I would still argue that jets are going to be really costly for Armenia and strategically will not change anything in the balance of forces. I'd rather see that money being spent on either:

      Air Defense: purchasing Buk or Pantsir units (or upgrading our S-125s to S-125 pechoras and OSA-AKAs to OSA-AKMs)
      Missile Forces: Tochka-U
      Infantry: Anti-tank missiles and proper night vision and thermal vision equipment

      I think this would make more sense than spending the 200mil on 10 Yak-130s that can be brought down like flies by azeri anti-aircraft systems or getting some downgraded 2nd hand MiG-29s that won't make any difference considering our enemy's airforce cannot operate over our skies as long as we upgrade and improve our air-defense systems.
      Totally agree with this assessment. Maybe even Iskander instead of Tochka-U.
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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        I know it hurts to say this but forget about air force beyond our Su-25s. Azerbaijan's air defence is simply too strong and it's simply too costly for us to maintain expensive jets. Our priority should be to make Artsakh a virtual no-fly zone for Azerbaijan's air force by focusing on defense. The next war will primarily will be a defensive war for us.
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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Federate View Post
          I know it hurts to say this but forget about air force beyond our Su-25s. Azerbaijan's air defence is simply too strong and it's simply too costly for us to maintain expensive jets. Our priority should be to make Artsakh a virtual no-fly zone for Azerbaijan's air force by focusing on defense. The next war will primarily will be a defensive war for us.
          I agree with this assessment.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by Federate View Post
            I know it hurts to say this but forget about air force beyond our Su-25s. Azerbaijan's air defence is simply too strong and it's simply too costly for us to maintain expensive jets. Our priority should be to make Artsakh a virtual no-fly zone for Azerbaijan's air force by focusing on defense. The next war will primarily will be a defensive war for us.
            What do you think about us taking Ganja? Its relatively close and it is a very important part of Azerbaijan. It would be a huge pullback on their side if we take it.

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by Ak105 View Post
              What do you think about us taking Ganja? Its relatively close and it is a very important part of Azerbaijan. It would be a huge pullback on their side if we take it.
              There's taking Ganja and then there's controlling Ganja. The latter is very hard to do with the manpower that Armenia currently has. Not to mention the political drawbacks of "occupying" an area far away from Artsakh. We should not forget that our overall objective is the liberation and defense of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic).
              Last edited by Federate; 06-28-2015, 03:23 PM.
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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Federate View Post
                I know it hurts to say this but forget about air force beyond our Su-25s. Azerbaijan's air defence is simply too strong and it's simply too costly for us to maintain expensive jets. Our priority should be to make Artsakh a virtual no-fly zone for Azerbaijan's air force by focusing on defense. The next war will primarily will be a defensive war for us.
                ---- next war will "primarily" war ----
                Primarily yes and/or maybe.
                Yes of course, we are not the aggressor.
                No, we can not keep status quo if they attack us another time.
                Our defense has already stated that's it's gonna cost them in more of their stolen land (AND) possibly loss of nationhood as they know it today.
                If they attack us and start a war, this time we need to PERMENENTLY cripple them. We cannot afford any less.
                If they (fkn criminals) start another war it's their LAST DANCE.
                Insofar as not needing better aircraft ... Disagree.
                I agree with assessment that our air defense is primary concern, but there is no substitute for air capability and what it can do in capable hands.
                Insofar as their air defense capability ... We gotta take them out, period. RA defense already knows that. It's on the agenda for sure.
                HARK

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  In above post, I meant to say "defensive war" in my first sentence.
                  About Yak 130 ... Looks to be an excellent trainer and with many of its sensor/avionics in the 4th/5th generation with again 4th/5th generation weapons and delivery, it's a sweet little rig.
                  It's not a lead in plane for sure but if skies are sanitized and air defense neutralized, it's highly capable and cost effective.
                  The modern Russian aircraft (fighter) has a dramatically reduced maintainence regime, and not nearly as expensive to keep.
                  HARK

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by Federate View Post
                    I know it hurts to say this but forget about air force beyond our Su-25s. Azerbaijan's air defence is simply too strong and it's simply too costly for us to maintain expensive jets. Our priority should be to make Artsakh a virtual no-fly zone for Azerbaijan's air force by focusing on defense. The next war will primarily will be a defensive war for us.
                    There is no way you can make Artsakh a no fly zone with just anti-air defense system.......every modern Army needs a Airforce and it doesn't matter that we can't match jet to jet.
                    They easily can run bombing runs on civilians and cities and we can't stop them other than maybe shoot a few down. You ain't gonna shoot all of them down. say even half

                    Plus, we must take the fight to the enemy and not be stuck in Artsakh and defend it. Artsakh will be destroyed eveything we have built.
                    B0zkurt Hunter

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      One thing we could use the YAK is for laser target designation.
                      It is dangerous work for our troops (SF) since they have to come within visual distance of the target and mark it with a laser dot. Now the YAK can fire a missile that will go directly to where the dot is. You can take out their air defense systems, send in the Tanks with troops and SU-25s.
                      Also the YAKs flying over artsakh and Armenia will maintain air superiority....unless the want to send in their Mig-29s. Then our Air defense system must kick in higher gear.
                      B0zkurt Hunter

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