Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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Yeah I'm not sure about the logic behind the decision either. It seems very random and unplanned, to randomly take on this loan
There hasn't been any sudden move by Azerbaijan- that we know of - that requires such a drastic move
However, I hope its put to good use, and means war is completely avoided, and I definitely hope there is a plan to pay it back
the debt to GDP level, even with the loan from the EU a few months back, is within a reasonable and manageable range

Exactly,hopefully they are gonna put it towards the airforce and get a new fleet of game changing jets,our AF is crying for attention :/
The loans are out of control they borrowed another 100 mil last week for vedi water and power project too and many other smaller loans

[Artashes]

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You are going to "avoid war" with 200 million dollars? Or do you really think such an amount (it's definetly not a big amount) is enough to actually change something? Even with "cheaper prices" it's not really much, certainly not against the amounts Azerbaijan has spent and will spend. Also this amount would be probably spread to more than one year, so in such context it becomes even less impressive. Even Turkey has exported more than 100 million usd worth weaponry to Azerbaijan in last years, and it's not even a significant supplier of arms to Azerbaijan (as of yet).

To give you an example, when Azerbaijan took delivery of 12 Mi-35M in 2013 (out of 24), only the cost of helicopters (not including the many other details of the contract) in total were $250 million, for 12 helicopters in that single year. And I suppose you think that Armenia is going to acquire starships with that amount, since you think that you could spend such amount and "avoid a war".

I believe Mher was expressing his desire (and general Armenian populations desire) to avoid a war.
We are Armenians and not turcees, we don't need to buy billions of dollars of weapons to compensate for being spineless like the tatar turcs to our east.
You can bring your hoards if you like, that's your decision, if and when you find the balls.
We are ready to fight TODAY.
Maybe just another couple of billion worth of weapons and you'll be done with the talking (boasting lol) part.

[londontsi]

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You are going to "avoid war" with 200 million dollars? What kind of "deterrence" (probably this is what you mean) could you create with such amount?

The conditions “to avoid war” have been in place for a considerable time.
It has worked ..... it is working .... always room for improvement and fine tuning.

Sultan Aliev has threatened with war, has bought massive amount of weapons with “the view to start a war”.
Then in an idiotic manner he starts complaining that the Armenians are the aggressors, have occupied their land and the Armenians are not being reasonable.

To have a war you have to have a war leader.
The present Sultan is not a war leader.
The only war he is prepared to fight is against his own people.
So if you want a war first have a go at changing your Sultan.

[burjuin]

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Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army

[ArmeniaSacra]

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http://armenpress.am/eng/news/809711...n-dollars.html

Armenia will finish the year with a debt of 4.9 billion dollars...that's around 40% of the GDP which will hopefully hit 11 billion this year. Somewhat acceptable.

The 200 million $ loan, if used appropriately, could significantly boost our capabilities if directed towards a single unit...like missile forces or air-defense. I know that idea of having jets is tempting but I would still argue that jets are going to be really costly for Armenia and strategically will not change anything in the balance of forces. I'd rather see that money being spent on either:

Air Defense: purchasing Buk or Pantsir units (or upgrading our S-125s to S-125 pechoras and OSA-AKAs to OSA-AKMs)
Missile Forces: Tochka-U
Infantry: Anti-tank missiles and proper night vision and thermal vision equipment

I think this would make more sense than spending the 200mil on 10 Yak-130s that can be brought down like flies by azeri anti-aircraft systems or getting some downgraded 2nd hand MiG-29s that won't make any difference considering our enemy's airforce cannot operate over our skies as long as we upgrade and improve our air-defense systems.

[Ak105]

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http://armenpress.am/eng/news/809711...n-dollars.html

Armenia will finish the year with a debt of 4.9 billion dollars...that's around 40% of the GDP which will hopefully hit 11 billion this year. Somewhat acceptable.

The 200 million $ loan, if used appropriately, could significantly boost our capabilities if directed towards a single unit...like missile forces or air-defense. I know that idea of having jets is tempting but I would still argue that jets are going to be really costly for Armenia and strategically will not change anything in the balance of forces. I'd rather see that money being spent on either:

Air Defense: purchasing Buk or Pantsir units (or upgrading our S-125s to S-125 pechoras and OSA-AKAs to OSA-AKMs)
Missile Forces: Tochka-U
Infantry: Anti-tank missiles and proper night vision and thermal vision equipment

I think this would make more sense than spending the 200mil on 10 Yak-130s that can be brought down like flies by azeri anti-aircraft systems or getting some downgraded 2nd hand MiG-29s that won't make any difference considering our enemy's airforce cannot operate over our skies as long as we upgrade and improve our air-defense systems.

We're getting 10 yaks? Doesnt seem bad

[londontsi]

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http://armenpress.am/eng/news/809711...n-dollars.html



..... spending the 200mil on 10 Yak-130s

Do you have a reference for this.

Will they be able to operate from Stepanagerd airport.

[Tsov]

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You are going to "avoid war" with 200 million dollars? What kind of "deterrence" (probably this is what you mean) could you create with such amount?

One word, Iskander. And what londotsi said.


Also, are you the guy who passed the "Bilzerian sends weapons to Artsakh army" stuff to Azer media? They even used a screen shot from this forum in their article.

Were your likely employers satisfied with the answers you got for this question?

[burjuin]

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Nagorno-Karabakh Air Defence

[ArmeniaSacra]

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Do you have a reference for this.

Will they be able to operate from Stepanagerd airport.

May you got me wrong bro...a Yak-150 costs about 15mil a unit for 200mil we can get like 10 or a bit more...Be optimistic and say 15 units..what's that gonna change in the balance? What will a Yak-130 do against the current Azeri air defense? let alone the costs of maintaining them...i'd rather see this money spend on other equipment