Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I m totaly agree with Haykakan, and about the weapons its true... Armenia get it for verry low price just because Armenia is an member of CSTO...

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

For those badmouthing Russia, consider the facts that Russia gives us weapons almost for free while charging azeris the premium prices. Much of the weapons it gives Armenia are not even recorded because it goes to kharabagh where reporting the weapons is not needed. Armenia has existed in the post genocide era only thanks to Russia. No other power had a interest and the power to save us from being wiped off the face of the earth as a nation. Russia is not obligated in any way to help Armenia, we are not its child thus they have every right to look after their own interests first and while their interests ususaly coinside with ours in important matters it may not always be the case and this is perfectly normal. Armenia is far more dependent on Russia then Russia is on Armenia thus there is no reason to expect a fair and balanced relationship here. I almost start to laugh when people start saying Russia is betraying us as if it is russias duty to protect us or something. We are not russias childeren and it owes us nothing but it is the only reason why a Armenia exists today and the day idiots who want to leave its orbit succeed will be the day Armenia is no more.

Here is more news.
AGREEMENT WITH RUSSIA STRENGTHENS ARMENIA'S SECURITY IN CASE OF EXTERNAL AGGRESSION, MP SAYS

news.am
Aug 13 2010
Armenia

The issue on modernization of the armed forces and reorganization of
their control is a domestic problem of our military-political ally,
Chairman of Inter-Parliamentary Committee on Cooperation between the
parliaments Aram Safaryantold NEWS.am, commenting on creation of a
new united Russian south strategic command.

Firstly, the Armenian-Russian military, military- political and
military-technical cooperation is a key factor for stability in the
South Caucasus and for the balance of forces maintained in the region
during post-Soviet period, he said. Secondly, Russian government has
offered President Medvedev to sign a supplement to the agreement on
status of 102nd base in Armenia. According to him, it will strengthen
Armenia's security in case of external aggression and fully conforms
to Armenia's national security concept and military doctrine.

As NEWS.am reported earlier, Russia is setting up a new system of
united strategic command "South", including 102nd Russian base in
Gyumri, bases in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, North Caucasus Military
District, the Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Fleet.

Agree

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-0QgT_UeI

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You know, this could very well backfire for Russia as they try to increase their control over Armenia they could possibly alienate Armenia more. Russia should know that Armenian considers them their number one unshakable ally and there is no need to bully us by neo-imperialist Russians who suddenly double the Russian gas prices into the country coupled with the increase in transit fee by Georgia that undermines Armenia’s economic growth. As our number one ally it is disappointing to see Russia give weapons to our number one enemy. They give us free guns but nothing is free in this world, they take peaces of our sovereignty instead. There is a reason why we have a rift in public opinion in Armenia (as in this forum) in regards to Russian actions and if they are not careful it will boomerang back at them and force Armenia to look further towards other means. Russia has helped Armenia a lot and Armenia is thankful by staying good allies and friends with them but that doesn’t mean Armenia is obliged to sacrifices its own national interests for the sake of theirs, the world doesn’t work like that.

BTW, does everybody agree that we need more Russian military presence in Armenia for our security at this moment from Turkey? Do we need Russian troops in Artsakh to protect us against an Azeri agression? Just curious what you guys think.

[ArmeniaR1]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You know, this could very well backfire for Russia as they try to increase their control over Armenia they could possibly alienate Armenia more. Russia should know that Armenian considers them their number one unshakable ally and there is no need to bully us by neo-imperialist Russians who suddenly double the Russian gas prices into the country coupled with the increase in transit fee by Georgia that undermines Armenia’s economic growth. As our number one ally it is disappointing to see Russia give weapons to our number one enemy. They give us free guns but nothing is free in this world, they take peaces of our sovereignty instead. There is a reason why we have a rift in public opinion in Armenia (as in this forum) in regards to Russian actions and if they are not careful it will boomerang back at them and force Armenia to look further towards other means. Russia has helped Armenia a lot and Armenia is thankful by staying good allies and friends with them but that doesn’t mean Armenia is obliged to sacrifices its own national interests for the sake of theirs, the world doesn’t work like that.

BTW, does everybody agree that we need more Russian military presence in Armenia for our security at this moment from Turkey? Do we need Russian troops in Artsakh to protect us against an Azeri agression? Just curious what you guys think.

If you ask me, Russian base in Gyumri can stey there... many Armenians in gyumri works or serve in that base...(realy many Armenians) but in Artsakh there was never a Russian and will never be a Russian soldier.. karabakhi people are one by one soldiers. we only need the Russian toys... and the Russian base is a verry good way to buy it underground

[Tigranakert]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

For those badmouthing Russia, consider the facts that Russia gives us weapons almost for free while charging azeris the premium prices. Much of the weapons it gives Armenia are not even recorded because it goes to kharabagh where reporting the weapons is not needed. Armenia has existed in the post genocide era only thanks to Russia. No other power had a interest and the power to save us from being wiped off the face of the earth as a nation. Russia is not obligated in any way to help Armenia, we are not its child thus they have every right to look after their own interests first and while their interests ususaly coinside with ours in important matters it may not always be the case and this is perfectly normal. Armenia is far more dependent on Russia then Russia is on Armenia thus there is no reason to expect a fair and balanced relationship here. I almost start to laugh when people start saying Russia is betraying us as if it is russias duty to protect us or something. We are not russias childeren and it owes us nothing but it is the only reason why a Armenia exists today and the day idiots who want to leave its orbit succeed will be the day Armenia is no more.

Here is more news.
AGREEMENT WITH RUSSIA STRENGTHENS ARMENIA'S SECURITY IN CASE OF EXTERNAL AGGRESSION, MP SAYS

news.am
Aug 13 2010
Armenia

The issue on modernization of the armed forces and reorganization of
their control is a domestic problem of our military-political ally,
Chairman of Inter-Parliamentary Committee on Cooperation between the
parliaments Aram Safaryantold NEWS.am, commenting on creation of a
new united Russian south strategic command.

Firstly, the Armenian-Russian military, military- political and
military-technical cooperation is a key factor for stability in the
South Caucasus and for the balance of forces maintained in the region
during post-Soviet period, he said. Secondly, Russian government has
offered President Medvedev to sign a supplement to the agreement on
status of 102nd base in Armenia. According to him, it will strengthen
Armenia's security in case of external aggression and fully conforms
to Armenia's national security concept and military doctrine.

As NEWS.am reported earlier, Russia is setting up a new system of
united strategic command "South", including 102nd Russian base in
Gyumri, bases in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, North Caucasus Military
District, the Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Fleet.

Bravo Haykakan jan, I totally agree with you. Long live Russia and the Armenian-Russian alliance, if not Russia, who else?

[ZORAVAR]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

For those badmouthing Russia, consider the facts that Russia gives us weapons almost for free while charging azeris the premium prices. Much of the weapons it gives Armenia are not even recorded because it goes to kharabagh where reporting the weapons is not needed. Armenia has existed in the post genocide era only thanks to Russia. No other power had a interest and the power to save us from being wiped off the face of the earth as a nation. Russia is not obligated in any way to help Armenia, we are not its child thus they have every right to look after their own interests first and while their interests ususaly coinside with ours in important matters it may not always be the case and this is perfectly normal. Armenia is far more dependent on Russia then Russia is on Armenia thus there is no reason to expect a fair and balanced relationship here. I almost start to laugh when people start saying Russia is betraying us as if it is russias duty to protect us or something. We are not russias childeren and it owes us nothing but it is the only reason why a Armenia exists today and the day idiots who want to leave its orbit succeed will be the day Armenia is no more.

Here is more news.
AGREEMENT WITH RUSSIA STRENGTHENS ARMENIA'S SECURITY IN CASE OF EXTERNAL AGGRESSION, MP SAYS

news.am
Aug 13 2010
Armenia

The issue on modernization of the armed forces and reorganization of
their control is a domestic problem of our military-political ally,
Chairman of Inter-Parliamentary Committee on Cooperation between the
parliaments Aram Safaryantold NEWS.am, commenting on creation of a
new united Russian south strategic command.

Firstly, the Armenian-Russian military, military- political and
military-technical cooperation is a key factor for stability in the
South Caucasus and for the balance of forces maintained in the region
during post-Soviet period, he said. Secondly, Russian government has
offered President Medvedev to sign a supplement to the agreement on
status of 102nd base in Armenia. According to him, it will strengthen
Armenia's security in case of external aggression and fully conforms
to Armenia's national security concept and military doctrine.

As NEWS.am reported earlier, Russia is setting up a new system of
united strategic command "South", including 102nd Russian base in
Gyumri, bases in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, North Caucasus Military
District, the Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Fleet.

Well said.

[ZORAVAR]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-0QgT_UeI

Nice find.

At 0:45 we see the APFSDS (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot) anti tank round while training on the anti tank gun (which also can be used as regular artillery).

At 0:58 we see the deployment of our longest range anti tank missile system (SHTURM-S) on an MT-LB tracked vehicle. The sytem can use 2 types of missiles: The older SHTURM (5.5 km) or the newer ATAKA (6 km).

[UrMistake]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

BTW, does everybody agree that we need more Russian military presence in Armenia for our security at this moment from Turkey? Do we need Russian troops in Artsakh to protect us against an Azeri agression? Just curious what you guys think.

Russian troops there is just fine no need for more of them,we need them for one purpose in case of turkish invasion,lame question if you ask me.
To protect against them and who said it might restrain us from attacking them~