Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I have no objection to your points but please realize there are signs of us giving land back and you're acting like there are no signs. Please start listening to Armenian news. You can hear the hints.
And i stand behind what i said earlier. Dont be so sure its all speculation.

There is pressure from the larger powers to compromise. Replacing Serj is not going to change that pressure. We have to be ready to go full-scale war and the possibility of losing all of Artsakh if we do not have Russia’s backing. An unfortunate option that I support knowing the turks will never rest. Is the whole country ready to go to full scale war with potential tens of thousands lives lost?

If we play our games more properly by creating conflicts in proper azerbaijan it will be a better approach. Except we do not have a branch in our intelligence or military groomed for that policy. Brits did that for centuries and conquered nations. We should use our brain facing 90 million turks.

[gokorik]

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There is pressure from the larger powers to compromise. Replacing Serj is not going to change that pressure. We have to be ready to go full-scale war and the possibility of losing all of Artsakh if we do not have Russia’s backing. An unfortunate option that I support knowing the turks will never rest. Is the whole country ready to go to full scale war with potential tens of thousands lives lost?

If we play our games more properly by creating conflicts in proper azerbaijan it will be a better approach. Except we do not have a branch in our intelligence or military groomed for that policy. Brits did that for centuries and conquered nations. We should use our brain facing 90 million turks.

Show a little more faith in the Armenian spirit please. It is impossible in my eyes to loose Artsakh. You saw what happened in April. 80% of all men in Artsakh will be on the line if a real war stars. These men would be defending their homes, their families. They will fight VICIOUSLY. Other than local volunteer there will be volenteers from Armenia and thats not including the Army.
Like you said the turks will never rest. Large scale war is eventually unavoidable. Why give up a inch of land if we're going to fight regardless of concessions. WHY!

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Show a little more faith in the Armenian spirit please. It is impossible in my eyes to loose Artsakh. You saw what happened in April. 80% of all men in Artsakh will be on the line if a real war stars. These men would be defending their homes, their families. They will fight VICIOUSLY. Other than local volunteer there will be volenteers from Armenia and thats not including the Army.
Like you said the turks will never rest. Large scale war is eventually unavoidable. Why give up a inch of land if we're going to fight regardless of concessions. WHY!

As I said, I am against giving an inch of our lands. In fact I want us to take all of the mountain chains all the way to Georgia. I have plenty of faith in our people but would like to use a smarter war than the nationalistic flag waiving approach.

[armnuke]

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Giving back land is in the speculation phase based on rumors that a paper was put in front of us on the table. No one knows if that was accepted or not. But facts on the ground show nothing was handed back until this moment. Please refrain from spreading panic.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Please refrain from spreading panic.

Some of these western groups supported by the Soros gangs, are jumping on the band wagon creating instability in the country during tourist season. The timing (a day after turkey) speaks volume in itself.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Did anyone pay attention to Pres. Sargsyan's speech during the Pope's visit? He spelled the words "mutual concession". Also, Warlick was on VOA and he looks upbeat. I saw them on TV a bit ago.

I'm quoting what you said 3 weeks ago. I'm not creating panic. If I'm spreading rumors and creating panic so were you in this post. The letters are on the wall and some of you are in denial! You have said it yourself many times in the last month that it seems there will be consesions.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

As I said, I am against giving an inch of our lands. In fact I want us to take all of the mountain chains all the way to Georgia. I have plenty of faith in our people but would like to use a smarter war than the nationalistic flag waiving approach.

I have always believed blind nationalism is counterproductive, but it seems like Russia is pressuring us to make concessions so they can receive better deals on Ukraine and Syria. You can check my post in the past. I'm am very pro Russian, but it seems like now we're a pawn on a very big chessboard, more than ever before.

[haydavid]

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It's people like you who are making this rumour more than it is. Giving land back has allways been on the table of negotiations. Both the UN, OSCE,... and azerbaijan want it. Of course it is natural for any political leader to look at every proposition possible. Serj can look about every solution, even about wheter giving land back is the right choice or not, but is NOT to Serjs, OSCE or Russias decision to make at the end. If the people of Karabakh don't want to cede any inch back, they will not do it. Wheter it is Russia who asks them or the pope. The choice lays in the hand of the people and right now nobody will ever give ground. Will a full scale war break out of this? Possible, but I imagine all those who want to give back land allready fled Karabakh long time ago and those who live there are ready to fight just like tens {hundreds} of thousands of Armenians in the world.

Stop spreading that xxxx rumours, it's only contributing to some agenda we should not help with.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Some of these western groups supported by the Soros gangs, are jumping on the band wagon creating instability in the country during tourist season. The timing (a day after turkey) speaks volume in itself.

Can I have a tin foil hat as well? Maybe the police station attackers saw what happened in Turkey and decided to move then. You state your theory as fact without leaving room for other possibilities.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

It's people like you who are making this rumour more than it is. Giving land back has allways been on the table of negotiations. Both the UN, OSCE,... and azerbaijan want it. Of course it is natural for any political leader to look at every proposition possible. Serj can look about every solution, even about wheter giving land back is the right choice or not, but is NOT to Serjs, OSCE or Russias decision to make at the end. If the people of Karabakh don't want to cede any inch back, they will not do it. Wheter it is Russia who asks them or the pope. The choice lays in the hand of the people and right now nobody will ever give ground. Will a full scale war break out of this? Possible, but I imagine all those who want to give back land allready fled Karabakh long time ago and those who live there are ready to fight just like tens {hundreds} of thousands of Armenians in the world.

Stop spreading that xxxx rumours, it's only contributing to some agenda we should not help with.

Your post a month ago

Maybe he will accept that but would we ( or Karabarcis ? )

Something is happening for sure , meeting after meeting , calm on the border , no big-mouth and talking about taking Karabakh back from Aliev , ...

Let's hope Serj is doing his job correctly

You yourself have said there is something going on. I'm not spreading xxxx rumors. If I am so are you...