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    • Originally posted by Vahram90 View Post

      because slaves are not looking for the reasons of their weakness and for a way out of slavery but only for saviours.
      This reminds me of the Georgians and Ukrainians that were fighting out of their "slavery" with Russians arms.

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      • Originally posted by Azad View Post

        This reminds me of the Georgians and Ukrainians that were fighting out of their "slavery" with Russians arms.
        No, the Georgians and Ukrainians were not fighting out of their slavery, they fought for being the slaves of another saviour who was "unfortunately" far away. I answered only to the question of HyeSocialist, it was no attack against you, even if I'm not so allergic to the US/western powers like you are.

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        • Originally posted by Vahram90 View Post
          I'm not so allergic to the US/western powers like you are.
          It is not a question of allergies. Western powers are wonderful countries to their own interest and that of their citizen. It just that their foreign policy doesnt line up with our interest.

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          • Originally posted by Azad View Post

            It is not a question of allergies. Western powers are wonderful countries to their own interest and that of their citizen. It just that their foreign policy doesnt line up with our interest.
            sometimes it does, sometimes not. Of course not so much that we could change them against Russia. But there were many situations when their interests coincided with ours. It's enough to follow the negotiation process to see some examples.

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            • Originally posted by Vahram90 View Post

              It's enough to follow the negotiation process to see some examples.
              And if we don't, while we delay and ignore, what will happen? Nothing. Best to ignore and let a generation pass.
              Let's force them to the table to negotiate Western Armenia. Wouldn't anyone care? They will ignore and laugh. That's where we want to be.

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              • The problem with Russia again is that they are largely paranoid and have freaked out to the point where they invaded Ukraine. They shut down any opposition at home and Putin has essentially destroyed the entire Russian economy all because he is playing a geopolitical game to counter the West.

                My argument is not to stop being an ally of Russia. My argument is that for a country like Armenia, it is absolutely necessary to hedge your bets and make sure that if Russia sinks its entire country even further, we do not get dragged down with them.

                The Chinese are building a massive embassy in Armenia now. What are we going to do if Putin decides that China is the enemy next? Stop all relations with the Chinese?

                Russian business interest in Armenia has been about political control, it has not benefited our people. Being close with the British/Americans means access to billions of dollars in energy projects. Why wouldn't we want that? What is not to trust about the British/Americans pouring $8bln into our energy sector? If relations sour, what are they going do? confiscate the damns and wind turbines?

                All I am arguing is that Russia is not the best economic / political partner. It is a forced relationship.

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                • The problem with Russia again is that they are largely paranoid and have freaked out to the point where they invaded Ukraine.
                  To my recollection it was NATO that set up camp right under their nose when things were all happy with Russia and the West.
                  Let Russia set up camp in Mexico or Cuba and let us see how the US would react.

                  They shut down any opposition at home
                  Agree!

                  Putin has essentially destroyed the entire Russian economy all because he is playing a geopolitical game to counter the West.
                  The geopolitical games started with NATO and Russia only reacted. To the contrary, the Russian economy is thriving with all the sanctions. They are learning to be self sufficient. It is oil prices that is slowing it down.

                  "My argument is not to stop being an ally of Russia. My argument is that for a country like Armenia, it is absolutely necessary to hedge your bets and make sure that if Russia sinks its entire country even further, we do not get dragged down with them.
                  Russia is not going to sink anytime soon. The world just got bigger with the advancements of Asian countries. Plenty of markets to replace the arrogant decaying West.

                  "The Chinese are building a massive embassy in Armenia now. What are we going to do if Putin decides that China is the enemy next? Stop all relations with the Chinese?
                  Nothing is going to happen. The US has a larger embassy in Armenia. Russia did not complain.

                  Russian business interest in Armenia has been about political control, it has not benefited our people.
                  When we talk of benefits and political control, the likes of Lavrov, Margarita Simonyan, Mikhail Pogyosyan the list goes for indirect Armenian control. Whom do we have in the vast west? A Richard Giragosian that wants to hand over everything for peace.

                  Being close with the British/Americans means access to billions of dollars in energy projects.
                  Thats what Michael saakofshetvili thought so too. Today his is not only homeless, he is countryless as well. So did the Greeks, they just turned to bankrupt slaves.

                  "Why wouldn't we want that? What is not to trust about the British/Americans pouring $8bln into our energy sector?
                  Nothing is free and no one is going to give Armenia anything for free. They just want to sell their products and enslave nations with perpetual payments. They are most welcome to set up shops and manufacture their products in Armenia.

                  "If relations sour, what are they going do? confiscate the damns and wind turbines?
                  No. Armenia will have an obligation to make payments so Northern Europeans can live comfortably.

                  "All I am arguing is that Russia is not the best economic / political partner. It is a forced relationship.
                  No one is forcing us. If you have products that the rest of the world needs, no one is stopping us. For now we have products that the CIS countries are happily buying.

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