Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Federate]

Two more non-combat deaths in Azerbaijan today:



This one is a contract soldier who died in an incident with a truck.



This one was beaten badly by 3 of his comrades and succumbed to his wounds in a hospital.

[burjuin]

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[Hakob]

Baku is wasting money in vain: "The Iron Dome" will not save from the "Iskander"
ARMENIA
18:09 9/25/2017 (updated on 19:16 9/25/2017)

The Israeli anti-aircraft complex "Iron Dome" can not resist the Iskander operational and tactical missile systems (OTRK), which are on the balance of the Armenian Armed Forces since 2016, Armenian and Georgian experts believe. Baku is wasting money for their acquisition.
Laura Sargsyan, Sputnik

Azerbaijan spends big money on the purchase of the anti-aircraft complex "Iron Dome" of Israeli production. Official Baku is sure that the Israeli missile defense system is the guarantor of the protection of the security of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline from the Armenian Iskander offensive. However, experts consider this a meaningless game with zero efficiency.

"The Iron Dome" can not resist even tactical missile systems "Tochka-U", especially "Iskander", said Spokesman of Armenia, the chief editor of the "New Defense Order" magazine, military commentator Leonid Nersisyan.

"The iron dome," according to the expert, is designed to intercept missiles with a maximum range of 70 kilometers. The system was developed by Israel to combat homemade missiles that were launched from the Gaza Strip. The "Iron Dome" can not withstand the "Point-U" in the Armed Forces of Armenia, Iskander OTRK. The Israeli missile defense system will not be able to block Armenian ballistic missiles and is ineffective for the protection of objects of strategic importance.

"ABM will probably be located in Baku, where the oil terminal and oil production facilities are located, but the effectiveness of this deployment is zero, since it is impossible to save infrastructure from the fire of Armenian operational and tactical missiles," Nersisyan said.

Yerevan can hit the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline only in case of a large-scale war, if Baku decides to strike at Stepanakert or Armenian positions. However, even in these conditions, Yerevan will not spend its Iskander oil pipeline. It is sufficient to use heavy-duty multiple rocket launcher systems "Smerch" or WM-80 Chinese volley fire system.

Expert: even the USA can not compete with Iskander
Under the worst-case scenario, Iskander will be used to neutralize oil production facilities and oil terminals in Baku.
The strength and might of the Armenian Iskanders is not doubted by the Georgian expert on military issues Vakhtang Maisay.

He also considers it ineffective to deploy an Israeli missile defense system to protect the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline.

"Baku is going to strengthen air defense in the area of the Mingechaur hydroelectric power station (the largest hydroelectric power station in Azerbaijan on the Kura River, near the city of Mingachevir, as well as the largest hydroelectric power station in Transcaucasia) and other strategic facilities. , of course, our countries will not come to any special agreement, "Maisai said in an interview with Sputnik correspondent.

However, the possible signing of the memorandum will put Georgia in a dependent position. Tbilisi will not join this game of Baku against Yerevan, the expert is sure.

Georgia will try to ensure the safety of the pipeline on its own plot. However, official Tbilisi today is concerned about the fact that the two-kilometer section of Baku-Tbilisi-Supsa is controlled by Moscow.

1000 meters above sea level for "Iskander" no problem
Part of the Baku-Tbilisi-Supsa pipeline (about 1.5 km) is located on the territory of South Ossetia. After the war in 2008, its territory completely passed under the control of the Ossetian side. The pipeline is designed to transport oil from the Chirag field. Its length is 830 km, including 775 km of a new pipeline with a diameter of 21 inches (530 mm) and 55 km of a rehabilitated pipeline. In 2011, SOCAR exported 2.652 million tons of Azerbaijani oil via the Baku-Supsa pipeline.

There could be a dangerous overconfidence here, I think.
I just read that Israel has developed a new defence system called "David's sling" to intercept medium range ballistic missiles.
This sistem' s missiles fly at Mach 7.5 speed and have special tracking sistem. Israel developed it with US to counter the iskanders.
Iskander has a speed of Mach 5.9.
Theoretically israeli rockets can catch up with them easily.
We already saw that in aprill war azeris had a surprise with orbiters. Could it be possible for them to buy this new Israeli sistem?
After all money buys anything.
Do you guys have any info? Any news about this?

[Azad]

I just read that Israel has developed a new defence system called "David's sling" to intercept medium range ballistic missiles.

Davidin chatal is very new. The shekelists have been sucking US tax dollars to make it happen. They just received couple units for their own use and no one knows if it really works with the Iskander.
The whole East Europe are waiting for something to counteract the Russian Iskander. IF it will work and will be available it will be couple years yet.
A good read ... see link.

https://jamestown.org/program/azerbaijans-possible-reactions-armenias-iskanders-defense-versus-offense/

[Azad]

Don’t trust these bagel munchers on everything they state. They get around 4 billions a year in American arms technologies that they modify and sell under their name. Yet, they are not much of an armament exporters. We have seen how their indestructible merkava tanks got flipped and burned by older versions of Russian ATGM. Also, it took our guys 6 months to find a permanent cure to their kamikaze toys that made them pack and leave with some BS excuse.

[Hakob]

Don’t trust these bagel munchers on everything they state. They get around 4 billions a year in American arms technologies that they modify and sell under their name. Yet, they are not much of an armament exporters. We have seen how their indestructible merkava tanks got flipped and burned by older versions of Russian ATGM. Also, it took our guys 6 months to find a permanent cure to their kamikaze toys that made them pack and leave with some BS excuse.

I would still say, don't be overconfident.
Any mistakes and surprises are going to be paid off by blood of young guys.

About azeris trying to hit Yerevan from Nakhichevan, in all world views it will free us to invade that land and turkey will have to join which will drag Russia in too.

[Azad]

About azeris trying to hit Yerevan from Nakhichevan, in all world views it will free us to invade that land and turkey will have to join which will drag Russia in too.

azeris objective with Nakhichevan is to make us shift some resources to that border in the hopes of distraction/weakening. Russia has turkey in its pocket for now. It deliver them the kurds on a silver platter.
Also, the turkish military might use the main roads in eastern turkey, when it comes to any potential conflicts in that region by the border of the (3) states, the kurds will slaughter them. Specially now that they are voting on independence in the region. I am not too worried of Nakhichevan region. The Iskander dominance is good for couple years and even four years for the azeris to have countermeasure.

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Nagorno-Karabakh Air Defense

[Achemish]

There could be a dangerous overconfidence here, I think.
I just read that Israel has developed a new defence system called "David's sling" to intercept medium range ballistic missiles.
This sistem' s missiles fly at Mach 7.5 speed and have special tracking sistem. Israel developed it with US to counter the iskanders.
Iskander has a speed of Mach 5.9.
Theoretically israeli rockets can catch up with them easily.
We already saw that in aprill war azeris had a surprise with orbiters. Could it be possible for them to buy this new Israeli sistem?
After all money buys anything.
Do you guys have any info? Any news about this?

Not a chance. Since the David's Sling system is a joint-development project between the United States and Israel, Israel has to obtain approval from the United States for exports of the system or technology used in it, and the United State's approving such an export to Azerbaijan isn't going to happen any time in the foreseeable future.

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Nagorno-Karabakh Air Defense