Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Armanen]

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By withdrawal of troops, they can't possibly mean the Armenian army since it was not a belligerant during the war. They mean the withdrawal of the Artsakh army. The inclusion of the term "occupied territories" is not a neutral wording of a ceasefire agreement and we can't possibly be serious that refugees will return to their homes. I can't imagine any Armenian ever being able to live in Azerbaijan again openly as an Armenian.

Yes and despite our superior position at the signing of this ceasefire, we managed to agree to the term "withdrawal of troops from occupied territories"? It is clearly aimed at the Artsakh defense forces and the territory formerly surrounding the ex-NKAO. Besides Shahumyan, there's really nowhere Armenians will "return" to, especially not Baku and they should not. Though it does not name which nationality, it is clear the refugee mention is again aimed at Azeri refugees .

Treaties are worthless. Don't get hung up over this.

[Eddo211]

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By withdrawal of troops, they can't possibly mean the Armenian army since it was not a belligerant during the war. They mean the withdrawal of the Artsakh army.

They mean the security belt around NKR....seven locations. They will never get Lachin back, besides others.

[Federate]

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They mean the security belt around NKR....seven locations. They will never get Lachin back besides others.

The so-called "security belt" is not around NKR. It is PART of NKR. There is no NKR without the areas called the "security belt", "liberated territories", "seven occupied Azeri-region", "buffer zone" and all the other fancy labels we and others have come up with to the detriment of the Constitution of Artsakh. Again, how can we sign to such a preposterous agreement while in a position of strength? Any one with half a brain can see that Nagorno-Karabakh without the "security belt", especially one that lacks Armenian forces, is doomed to be eventually surrounded and possibly crushed by Azerbaijan. That is why the military decided to liberate it in the first place (from a military perspective).

[Eddo211]

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We were forced to by Russia, USA, and France....can't think of any other reason why we would have even stopped with the momentum we had. Regardless NKR has been guaranteed Autonomy,
this is a provisional protocol...no threaty has been signed.

[Odysseus]

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I can't imagine any Armenian ever being able to live in Azerbaijan again openly as an Armenian.

This is a Very important factor in this whole peace process. the refugees will never be able to return anywhere after this dirty war. And This also shows that hypotheticaly speaking if Artsakh is given to Azerbaijan the People will again rise up. but actually that would be based on The misconception that Armenia Took Artsakh, when it was just thier own uprising. Armenia isnt returning anything, Karabakh declared its independace so Azerbaijan needs to work it out with them, and reopen our Borders.

[burjuin]

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[burjuin]

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[londontsi]

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It appears that some members here are articulating ideas without realising the significance of their views.
This is irrespective whether they (we) have any power about it or not.

I am specifically referring to some “generous” and misguided offers of withdrawal from here and there etc.

I am not a lawyer but here is my take.

The Wilsonian decision vis-à-vis the Armenian borders is legally valid since its timeless.
This document also refers to territory within present Azerbaijan.

Therefore not only Turkey is occupying Armenian lands but also Azerbaijan despite some of it being liberated.

The significance is this.
If any land (liberated ) within the stated (Wilsonian) borders is returned it could make
the Wilsonian declaration invalid with the Armenian side creating the situation.

After all how can you be after that ( Wilsonian) land when you are offering part of it back?

As I mentioned I am not a lawyer but Ara papian is.
Listen to his legal points to get a much better understanding of the legal issues involved.


Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfFlfa6nbdU

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDTNwUmRlxQ

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenian Air force:

[Eddo211]

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After all how can you be after that ( Wilsonian) land when you are offering part of it back?

or ever accept current Turkish borders as legal, these words must be tattooed on our leaders.....nough said.