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  • #21
    Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
    When we had the war with Azeris, why did most Dashnaks stay put in the diaspora? What happened to all the war songs? The patriotism?
    Artsakh’s liberation was an all-Armenian struggle for justice, and Armenians from all walks of life and all political persuasions were present on the battlefields, including ARFD, thousands of them. Unfortunately I was way too young to be there, but what I’d like to know is what’s with your cynical questions? I mean, pardon me, but who the hell are you to question the patriotism of arguably the most patriotic Armenian organization in the world? Did you somehow managed to miss the modern history of the Armenian people? Because for the past 120 years ARFD has been an integral part of it, good or bad it’s been always there and despite the chorus of wicked ill-wishers it will always be there. Now, what you, as an individual and as a Diaspora Armenian, have done for the good of our Nation and Homeland? Let’s start with a small thing (you) before we discuss things that are much greater than you and me put together.

    …but you also insult the measures the actual population and leadership of Armenia have taken to bring security and vitality to their own lands.
    The actual population had no say and the leadership has never asked the opinion of the population. National referendum is the only just way to decide on issues of national importance but there was none so, don’t speak of the actual population.

    Njdeh turns in his grave for you as well.
    Garegin Njdeh was God’s gift to the Armenian Nation. Like a prophet with a divine message he formed the ultimate national ideology, a nationalist religion, which was way above any politics and parties. That’s why he left ARFD, which he dearly loved all his life long, even after leaving it. So, rest assured, Njdeh would not turn in his grave because of us.

    Choosing hate…
    There is no blind hate, there is a true understanding of the present based on the past and with a view to the future.

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    • #22
      Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

      Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
      Choosing hate as a means to block out the seductions of the enemy to me is being afraid to use your higher, non-emotionally disturbable faculties to do an even better job at destroying them. You will never find immortality, happiness, justice or wisdom by clinging onto hate.
      jgk3, I don't choose hate. you ask in another thread about Dashnak involvement in Artsakh, I have 2 who'll never come back,it's sometimes hard to remember their faces.
      I won't be seduced by the enemy, others will and some have been already.
      Hate keeps focus for me, it's not an emotional hate, it's deeper.
      I doubt immortality is in my fate, happiness I have now. Justice. What's justice? Wisdom. He who professes wisdom is probably the least wise.
      Finally I don't cling to hate, like a prop, it's there.........
      jgk, we've all got our own demons and deall with them as best we can.

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      • #23
        Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

        for both of you, I understand.

        But Dashnak, I can question why most Dashnaks in the diaspora, in Montreal, mainly care about genocide recognition (especially the youth movement), which is fine, but have no intention of ever fighting on a battlefield, contrary to what their war songs would teach. I am puzzled by this phenomenon. I praise what the Dashnaks have done, I am only cynical of this important detail, as in an ever modernizing diaspora, I wish to check this influence of forgetting one's warrior spirit with scrutiny. The Dashnaks are the most patriotic, they must continue to set the best example for all diasporans.

        I believe that dedication to being a warrior-like people is the key to triumph. I know I will act when I am needed. I already feel the need now to become closer to the Armenian people and am working towards this in my own way.

        As for me not being eligible to criticize? I want the best for our people, when I see shortcomings, I will give my suggestions, I will give my criticism, and I will lead by example when the time calls for it.
        Last edited by jgk3; 04-28-2009, 06:05 AM.

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        • #24
          Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

          "I already feel the need now to become closer to the Armenian people and am working towards this in my own way."
          This is something we all should be doing. Our culture is so rich that the closer you get to it the more you want it and the more you appreciate its richness. Armenia itself is a wonderfull place to explore full of history and culture. While i was at a friends summer retreat near ARA LER i found stone tools and arrowheads just laying there from prehistoric times. People have lived in this part of the worls since befor the dawn of civilization and you will be amazed at what you can discover there on your own journey.
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • #25
            Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
            "I already feel the need now to become closer to the Armenian people and am working towards this in my own way."
            This is something we all should be doing. Our culture is so rich that the closer you get to it the more you want it and the more you appreciate its richness. Armenia itself is a wonderfull place to explore full of history and culture. While i was at a friends summer retreat near ARA LER i found stone tools and arrowheads just laying there from prehistoric times. People have lived in this part of the worls since befor the dawn of civilization and you will be amazed at what you can discover there on your own journey.
            thank you for sharing with us your encouraging experience, I can definitely relate with the sentiment you're talking about even though I've never yet been to Armenia.

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            • #26
              Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

              For those who can't visit, here are some pics of Ara Ler, absolutely incredible.

              http://armenia.galstyan.com/displayi...?album=2&pos=0
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #27
                Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

                Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
                for both of you, I understand.

                But Dashnak, I can question why most Dashnaks in the diaspora, in Montreal, mainly care about genocide recognition (especially the youth movement), which is fine, but have no intention of ever fighting on a battlefield, contrary to what their war songs would teach. I am puzzled by this phenomenon. I praise what the Dashnaks have done, I am only cynical of this important detail, as in an ever modernizing diaspora, I wish to check this influence of forgetting one's warrior spirit with scrutiny. The Dashnaks are the most patriotic, they must continue to set the best example for all diasporans.

                I believe that dedication to being a warrior-like people is the key to triumph. I know I will act when I am needed. I already feel the need now to become closer to the Armenian people and am working towards this in my own way.

                As for me not being eligible to criticize? I want the best for our people, when I see shortcomings, I will give my suggestions, I will give my criticism, and I will lead by example when the time calls for it.
                I like this post, thanks jgk3.

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                • #28
                  Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

                  Originally posted by hrai View Post
                  I like this post, thanks jgk3.

                  I second that, well said jgk3.

                  Hey KanadaHye, those are amazing pictures man.

                  and Haykakan: unbelievable to be able to walk through the land and just find what our ancient brothers made with their hands………….you found an Arrowhead?!! Dude, I am fascinated with Archery, to find one of our ancient Arrowheads would be out of this world for me. That is too cool.
                  B0zkurt Hunter

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                  • #29
                    Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

                    thank you guys. And yes, Kanadahye, those are inspiring pictures... Those forests Ara Ler mountains are so different from anything I've ever seen, I would love to hike there!

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                    • #30
                      Re: Free, Independent, and United Armenia

                      Like Heaven!
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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