Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

[Yakamoz]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Diaspora always blocks improvement of Turkish-Armenian Relations

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

?????
Ones again please...

I didn't get what you were saying, were you saying that my statement was wrong than in that case you must proof that my statement is wrong.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Diaspora always blocks improvement of Turkish-Armenian Relations

There is just one way of improvement of Armenian-Turkish relationship: it is recognition of the Genocide and Diaspora never will block it. In that sense diaspora is doing everything for "improving" Armenian-turkish relation.

[Mukuch]

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I didn't get what you were saying, were you saying that my statement was wrong than in that case you must proof that my statement is wrong.

Well yes of course it is wrong: all Karabakh movement was founded on principle of "miatsum" and current status of Karabakh as "independent state" is just dictated by political conjuncture. The Karabakh will become the part of Armenia the moment azeris will give up, and they will sooner or later.

[Yakamoz]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

There is just one way of improvement of Armenian-Turkish relationship: it is recognition of the Genocide and Diaspora never will block it. In that sense diaspora is doing everything for "improving" Armenian-turkish relation.

Then what happens ?

Diaspora wants Turkey to recognize invalid Treaty of Sčvres!

[Mukuch]

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Then what happens ?

Diaspora wants Turkey to recognize invalid Treaty of Sčvres!

What will happen than we will see "than". And who said the Severs treaty is invalid?!

[Yakamoz]

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What will happen than we will see "than". And who said the Severs treaty is invalid?!

Armenia is considered first state for recognizing new Turkish Republic with Treaty of Alexandropol. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Alexandropol )

You did this treaty with Turkish Republic in 1920 and legally invalidated treaty of Sevres.

After Turkish Independence War (with Turkish Victory) England,Greece,Italy and France also invalidated treaty of Sevres by doing new treaty which was Treaty of Lausanne ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne )

So Treaty of Sevres is invalid this mainly blocks improvement of Turk-Armenian relation... This is more important problem than recognizing genocide.

[hipeter924]

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Armenia is considered first state for recognizing new Turkish Republic with Treaty of Alexandropol. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Alexandropol )

You did this treaty with Turkish Republic in 1920 and legally invalidated treaty of Sevres.

After Turkish Independence War (with Turkish Victory) England,Greece,Italy and France also invalidated treaty of Sevres by doing new treaty which was Treaty of Lausanne ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne )

So Treaty of Sevres is invalid this mainly blocks improvement of Turk-Armenian relation... This is more important problem than recognizing genocide.

I doubt that matters, since Turkey broke all agreements in the first place through the Armenian Genocide.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Armenia is considered first state for recognizing new Turkish Republic with Treaty of Alexandropol. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Alexandropol )

You did this treaty with Turkish Republic in 1920 and legally invalidated treaty of Sevres.

After Turkish Independence War (with Turkish Victory) England,Greece,Italy and France also invalidated treaty of Sevres by doing new treaty which was Treaty of Lausanne ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne )

So Treaty of Sevres is invalid this mainly blocks improvement of Turk-Armenian relation... This is more important problem than recognizing genocide.

Well I could bring a 1000 arguments why Alexandrople treaty is invalid and Severes treaty is valid but if you are talking of improvement of relations between 2 people (turks and Armenians) than the treaties do not matter. Armenians will look at turks as at human being just after they (turks) will show a minimum of humanity by acknowledging the horrible crime of the past. Than we can talk about treaties.

[qwarten]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Armenia is considered first state for recognizing new Turkish Republic with Treaty of Alexandropol. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Alexandropol )

You did this treaty with Turkish Republic in 1920 and legally invalidated treaty of Sevres.

After Turkish Independence War (with Turkish Victory) England,Greece,Italy and France also invalidated treaty of Sevres by doing new treaty which was Treaty of Lausanne ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne )

So Treaty of Sevres is invalid this mainly blocks improvement of Turk-Armenian relation... This is more important problem than recognizing genocide.

You're mistaken about why the treaty of sevres is invalid.Signed treaties need to be ratified by the parliament (according to the constitution- Kanūn-ı Esāsī for ottoman empire) to be effective.This treaty has never been ratified either by ottoman parliament or later by national assembly of turkey.Thus it's considered invalid.