Armenia: A Second Israel

[Suedia]

Re: Armenia: A Second Israel

KaroTheGreat,

There is truth in what you say, but how can it be that the oligarchs in Armenia have become MULTI BILLIONAIRES? If you've noticed, there is no middle class in Armenia, it's either very low or very high.

[KarotheGreat]

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Hye,

It is because of a corrupt goverment that Armenia doesn't fund its children to go to higher universities and study.

Suedia, is Svedia, the region of Moussaler

Or it doesn't have the money to fund kids to go to college? Have you thought of that? Armenia has a very limited resources and needs to spread it around the whole country.

[Suedia]

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Hye,

It is because of a corrupt goverment that Armenia doesn't fund its children to go to higher universities and study.

Suedia, is Svedia, the region of Moussaler

[UrMistake]

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Im with u Hye jan,its like u read my mind.

The bigest priority for survival in some decent way for Armenia is to have strong political leaders serving its people and not interest.

[Hye]

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hello my fellow lipananahye Suedia good to know by the way what does your name mean?
To the discussion.
First I want to say that im not compareing Armenia to Lebanon at all i know it's completely differnt situation and God forbid Armenia become like lebanon. What i mean is that before Armenia judging blindly (and i mean by this mostly by those who critisize Armenia for the sake of it) let's look at the Armenian Diaspora again i want to concentrate on the middle east because i live here and know better i donno what is going on in Europe or USA or Russia. Here all of our organisations are filled with corruption people serving their small tight intrsts than thr cimunity fighting each other noone knows where the money goes to wrong people in worng places let's set an example to Armenia and then judge them and guide and demand from them.


You are perfectly right about mind being strong weapon and highr education one of the most important things ever. But let me ask you jow will those scientists, doctors, inventors work without funding? Armenia has no lack of intelectual mind but lacks of money to fund these people to invent to create to give high wages to stay in Armenia that's why they go to another country and shine.

Moreover I donno if you are in uni or graduated do you know how expensive higher education is? specially if you wana go to a big uni don't you want funding for that? Im not saying money is the first and last thing we need but money is the basic thing we need others will come little by little.

If the Armenian governemtn will remain corrupt then no one would send direct funds to the government but this organisation will invest in the Armenian ecconomy build roads infrastructure, whole villages, restoration ... just like the Armenian fund and other charity organisations are doing now until we'll have a good governemnt. By the way reducing the corruption is very hard work needs will and determination because corruption in Armenia is in the peoples blood Soviet union has had it's toll for so long but it shoudl be reduced ina way or another

[Suedia]

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btw, I am an Armenian from Lebanon too. By comparing Lebanon to Armenia, we would be making a big mistake. Lebanon is whole different story and not part of this topic.

[Suedia]

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Hye, what you are saying about collecting money seems logical. But by sending money to Armenia things won't change much. First of all, the people of the Republic of Armenia must get rid of their corrupt goverment and abolish the monopoly system there. Second, and most important, the most powerful weapon in the world is the MIND(High Education). We are good at that, we have many scientists, artists, doctors, inventors, and many other people that have reached high places! By combining all of them together, we can collaborate and work much easily. The political parties have their role in the armenian life, but they cannot acheive much. We must count on the Armenians who have reached high places in life. There we have Power! We can gather all kinds of information about everything, including our enemy(ies). Think about it...

[Hye]

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Eddo211,

I'm glad you like my ideas and the problem you mentions unfortunately is very true and its very disapointing. but whose fault is we have no competant leadership nor trancparency that can produce positive result? Who is putting cracks among Armenians? whos's to blame if we keep on fighting and arguing on evey single stupid thing and we don't sieze the chance to get better? The Turks? The Azeris? Russia? USA? The damn English or French? Maybe I really suffer from VERBAL DIARREHEA and I can't shut the F*** up but how can I shut up if I see all this around me CAN ANYONE HONESTLY REFUTE THE THINGS IM SAYING? LOOK AROUND YOU AND BE HONEST WITH YOURSELVES.


thank you Eddo for this reply now maybe people will undrestand what I was trying to say better. but I want to ask you why shouldn't we be united? why shouldn't we find worthy leadership? Why shouldn't we stop the corruption within us? We talk about how corrupt the government of Armenia is Diasporans (I'm among them) are you less corrupt? I gave an idea in a forum to discuss and imporove only one person replied to tell me it's impossible because we are ARMENIANS. We are dreaming of ONE day maybe ONE day leberating our historical homeland for God sake what are we doing to be prepared for that day? I gave a small premetive plane to somehow reach the black sea and I was criticised yes you all are right its an almost impossible thing to atchieve but i wana ask which one is more possible to liberate western Armenia and reach the sea or to liberate Djavakhk populate Ajaria (2,900 sqKm with 376000 population)?


Eddo for now i'm not talking about united comunities around the world.

Let's first of all find a way to channel this money to something useful in investments that will make more money in seperate comumities or countiries i'm not talking about big organisations yet though in the future establishing such bodies that would unite the efforts are essential for more efficiency.

second of all lets make the people know what is going on with their tax money let them feel they are benifiting because i believe our people want to help the nation and Armenia and i'm sure when we ensure everything is being done correct all of them will pay the tax with no delay. I believe in this I believe we can improve ourselves but first we must know our faults plan 2 correct them and work in that direction

Just imagine with this kind of organisation how much political influence you would have in your own country? the organisation would back indevidial talented Armenians in major local parties and help them reach to the top and here we will benifit the most. In this case we could have collars around necks of lions

Let me tell you in Lebanon it is VERY easy to be a national leador or "Zaim" as we call you jsut need money. Since the populatin is already poor, in the dawn of elections they "serve" the people a little bit with medical help governmental help during elactions you destribute some food here some money their and guess what you are in the parliament and people love you although you know nothing about politics what so ever.

I want to end on a possitive note i donno if you agree. Let's look at all Armenian fund as far as I know they are working in trancpancy so this means that we can do it if we want so my idea is let's use this trancparency but find more efficient way to collect money first to make it into worthy capital and help Armenia.

[Eddo211]

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Hye:
I like your ideas but the problems I see is that we are not coordinated and we lack strong leadership that could spearhead this while maintaining a complete transparency with no corruption producing positive results that people can see and feel good about year after year all the while being able to unite Diasporan communities around the world under one banner and one cause with all our differences and inherent faults.

[Armanen]

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That's better, thank you!