Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

This must be cat reasoning to twist and justify your logic to see things that don't exist....and you think we buy that.

Trolling again eddo? Didn't you learn anything when you got your knuckles rapped earlier this week for doing it?

[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Of course being thrown out of your home of 20 years, with just 10 days notice, into a city with a chronic shortage of liveable apartments, is part of the story. It is central to the story!

And it will be a lot more than a mere "inconvenience" for those affected

Your story is biased and the only thing central is your attempt to show that Armenians don't care where in fact they are very accommodating. You speak as if you are an Armenian living in Yerevan as if you have the right.....and you really believe that we think you care for inconveniences on Armenian families in Armenia.

You are nothing but a fake and I am calling you out.

[Artsakh]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Your story is biased and the only thing central is your attempt to show that Armenians don't care where in fact they are very accommodating. You speak as if you are an Armenian living in Yerevan as if you have the right.....and you really believe that we think you care for inconveniences on Armenian families in Armenia.

You are nothing but a fake and I am calling you out.

I can also point out 2 things I've noticed that testify to him not being psychologically all there:

1) He spends way too much time on this forum. This is consuming his mind, time and energy. Any mentally healthy person is not consumed as such. This is an obvious indicator this guy has psychological issues.

2) He is very vicious towards Armenians and the way he expresses himself clearly shows a lot of rage, anger, and bitterness. Typically, if a subject results in such emotions, a normal persons steers clear of the source of such emotions. This guy, however, keeps coming back to the source--NOT NORMAL. He talks down, diminishes, and looks down upon Armenians--he is clearly not a neurtral person, and he is not attempting to be rational--anytime you try to present an entire nation of people in a negative light your credibility is automatically thrown out the window.

In short, this guys obviously has some serious issues. Normal people normally steer clear of unpleasant topics--this guys clearly can't let go.

[hagopn]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

...and he is a Russophobe and banned from at least one other forum.

[Hakob]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I can also point out 2 things I've noticed that testify to him not being psychologically all there:

1) He spends way too much time on this forum. This is consuming his mind, time and energy. Any mentally healthy person is not consumed as such. This is an obvious indicator this guy has psychological issues.

2) He is very vicious towards Armenians and the way he expresses himself clearly shows a lot of rage, anger, and bitterness. Typically, if a subject results in such emotions, a normal persons steers clear of the source of such emotions. This guy, however, keeps coming back to the source--NOT NORMAL. He talks down, diminishes, and looks down upon Armenians--he is clearly not a neurtral person, and he is not attempting to be rational--anytime you try to present an entire nation of people in a negative light your credibility is automatically thrown out the window.

In short, this guys obviously has some serious issues. Normal people normally steer clear of unpleasant topics--this guys clearly can't let go.

To tell you honestly, I like Bell's ideas about Armenia's possible strategic plans at time of war with baboonistan. About concentrated damage and breaking of the enemy's will in war continuation. About unproductive and unnessesary thoughts of capturing baku. He has some good ideas and knowledge about lots of other things too. But what bothers me is his cinicism towards the subject he is supposedly expressing himself about. If you are so cynical about something then why are you interested in it? His satirical expressions about "our 3000 yr hystory" leaves me in doubt as to what is his intention? What, we should not be proud of our history? No matter what is happening now, the history is there and need be taken into account for future.
He knows a lot, that is abvious, he is very intelligent also. But expressing ideas is not just enough. Need a little more compassion about subject. Just flat thruths or calculations cannot get to their point without a little bit honey in them.
Sometimes I wonder if he comes here just to destroy a subject. Like human rights or freedoms. Taking a problem in the face and slapping it around is not the way.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Ինչպես էր 1991 թ. Կրիվոպուսկովը Ղարաբաղում զինաթափում հայերին
Հինգշաբթի, 10 Հոկտեմբերի 2013,

Հայաստանում ՌԴ դեսպանատան խորհրդական Վիկտոր Կրիվոպուսկովը հանդիսանում է այսպես ասած ռուսական «հումանիտար» էքսպանսիայի գերագույն գլխավոր հրամանատարը Հայաստանում:
Կրիվոպուսկովը այդ առաքելությունն իրականացնելիս մեկ անգամ չէ, որ իրեն թույլ է տվել Հայաստանի պետական արժանապատվությունը վիրավորող արտահայտություններ:
Մասնավորապես, հիշարժան է նրա տարիներ առաջ արած հայտարարությունը այն մասին, որ ռուսերեն լեզուն Հայաստանի անվտանգության լեզուն է:
Նա եւս մի քանի նմանօրինակ արտահայտություններ է արել, որից հետո իրեն հարգող ցանկացած ինքնիշխան երկրի իշխանությունը Կրիվոպուսկովից առնվազն կպահանջեր զսպվածություն, կամ ընդհանրապես նրան դուրս կհրավիրեր հանրապետությունից:
Ավելին, Հայաստանը ինքնիշխան երկիր լինելու պարագայում Կրիվոպուսկովին եւ նմաններին հանրապետություն ընդհանրապես չէր էլ թողնի:
Բանն այն է, որ այսօր Հայաստանում ռուսական շահերը առաջ տվող Կրիվոպուսկովը, տարիներ առաջ Լեռնային Ղարաբաղում առաջ է մղել սովետա-ադրբեջանական շահերը: Կրիվոպուսկովը 1990-91 թվականներին եղել է ԽՍՀՄ ՆԳՆ օպերատիվ-քննչական խմբի շտաբի պետ Լեռնային Ղարաբաղում:
Հասկանալու համար, թե ինչ է դա նշանակում, բավական է հիշել Ղարաբաղում այսպես կոչված «անձնագրային ռեժիմի» ստուգումները, որոնց անվան տակ սովետական եւ ադրբեջանական ՕՄՈՆ-ականները զինաթափում էին Ղարաբաղի հայերին, շատերին ձերբակալում, այդպիսով նախապատրաստելով հետագայում հայկական բնակավայրերի վրա սովետա-ադրբեջանական գրոհները:
Այսինքն, ՕՄՈՆ-ականները անձնագրային ռեժիմի ստուգման ներքո զինաթափում էին հայերին, թուլացնում դիմադրությունը, իսկ հետո պարզապես վերցնում բնակավայրերը նրանց ձեռքից:
Եվ ահա այս «սուրբ» գործի հրամաատարներից մեկն էլ եղել է Վիկտոր Կրիվոպուսկովը, որը նույնիսկ գիրք է գրել իր ղարաբաղյան «կենսագրության» մասին:
- See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/arm/0/pol....6gVa1WKM.dpuf

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

RUSSIAN FORMER AMBASSADOR TO ARMENIA IS INDIGNANT AT STATEMENT BY AN ARMENIAN EXPERT IN AN INTERVIEW WITH ARMINFO NEWS AGENCY

by Marianna Mkrtchyan

http://www.arminfo.am/index.cfm?objectid=B3598AF0-30E9-11E3-9AC70EB7C0D21663

Wednesday, October 9, 17:50

The former ambassador of Russia to Armenia, Vyacheslav Kovalenko,
comments on recent interview by political expert Richard Giragosian
with Arminfo news agency. Here is the full text of his commentary,
as he asked:

"In his recent interview with Arminfo news agency, the head of the
Centre for Regional Studies, Richard Giragosian, has again cast doubt
upon Armenia's decision to join the Customs Union. He said nothing
new. Nevertheless, I think it is important to draw attention on
arguments, which supporters of orientation towards the EU (including
Giragosian) use, saying that the way of further development chosen by
Armenia is wrong. In this context, they separate not only the economic
prospect but also the fact that Armenia lost confidence as a partner
of the western countries. Giragosian regrets that almost four years
of work for signing of the Association Agreement and DCFTA with the
EU which had to be signed in Vilnius in November of the current year,
were in vain. Coming forward from the position of Armenia's patriot,
Giragosian regrets that from now on Brussels will start reducing
its programmes that cost millions EUR, which were earlier foreseen
for making reforms. In such an attitude I see, at least, two moments
which do not enhance Mr Giragosian's "patriotic position". He seems
to forget that not everything is sold in this world for money, that
Armenia is sovereign state which does not accept diktat of the EU, and
its conditions hidden under the pseudo-democratic principle "more for
more". What the EU offered in the form of the association relations,
is not so much good for the national interests of Armenia. Why did
the EU refuse Yerevan's aspiration to preserve its foreign political
course, saying about incompatibility of Armenia's participation in
the European integration and Eurasian processes simultaneously? The
Europeans put the question point-blank" "either-or". which in
fact would mean changing of the political course and canceling of
the allied relations with Russia. Today, Giragosian says quite the
contrary, that just joining the Customs Union will "become a dramatic
changing of Armenia's course". He seems not to be aware that Moscow
but not Brussels accepted both directions (European and Eurasian),
and thought that their simultaneous development is possible as they
replenish each other. Giragosian says nothing about it, but insists
that Russia forced Armenia to refuse the European development course
in order to please its empire ambitions.

Mr. Giragosian is not embarrassed to lie just to help the EU to save
its face. He is not ashamed to call Armenia's position a shame, a
strategic mistake, a lost opportunity. What he wants to say is that
the EU is right in whatever it does, that its policy is a blessing
for Armenia, while the Customs Union is nothing but a mistake for
it. But by saying this he denies Armenia its right to choose.

What has the EU done for Armenia after all? Several millions EUR given
to the country so it could unify the requirements to the products
it makes for export, annual grants of some 200 million EUR, soft
loans the country will have to repay one day and endless promises of
financial assistance and investments. It's not very much, is it?

Kovalenko says that experts, like Mr.Giragosian, blame Russia for
almost all difficulties and problems experienced by Armenia. "There
is no secret in assessment of the trade, economic, and investment
relations between the two countries. Russia is a major foreign trade
partner of Armenia. Its annual investments total 3 bln USD (which is
as much as the USA's investments throughout the period of Armenia's
independence. The private transfers from Russia to Armenia total 3 bln
USD per annum. Russia is the key foreign labor market for Armenia's
citizens. Big Russian investments in energy and communications are
expected in relation to Armenia's decision to join the Customs Union",
he says.

ovalenko thinks that Mr.Giragosian should not frighten Armenia by
hopeless future or loss of opportunities. "European commissioners
realize this and are trying to make adjustments to the work with
Armenia. Giragosian speaks about it frankly, but at the same time,
he editorializes it, stressing that the context of cooperation
will change, new demands will be put forward to the Armenian
Government and the focus will be shifted from the ruling party and
the Government to the opposition. Apparently, this means that the EU
will actively start preparing a "fifth column" inside the country to
trigger anti-governmental sentiments in the civil society and hold
protest actions. Briefly speaking, this will lead to destabilization
of the situation. If it is so, I'd like to recall that almost 80%
of Armenia's citizens consider that the country's accession to the
Customs Union will strengthen the economy and the national security
system of Armenia. This is an important remark and it should make the
Armenian authorities take specific steps to formalize such sentiments
of the overwhelming majority of the citizens and to switch them onto
the track of public movement to support the Eurasian process. One
shouldn't do such things half-way".

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

HRAPARAK: RUSSIA WILL RECOGNIZE KARABAKH'S INDEPENDENCE

13:10 11/10/2013 " DAILY PRESS

There is great probability that what did not happen in case of Armenia
and Karabakh will take place in case of Moldova and Transnistria.

Although Armenian authorities claim that there has been no pressure
from Russia in the issue of joining the Customs Union, Hraparak's
sources say that Russia said the same thing in relation to both
Transnistria and Karabakh.

According to the paper, Russia openly shows that it intends to
recognize the independence of Transnistria just as it recognized the
independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

"Armenia was told clearly that Russia will recognize the independence
of Karabakh, make Karabakh part of the Customs Union and establish
a customs terminal between the "European Armenia" and Customs Union
member Karabakh," the paper says.

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2013/10/11/hraparak2/

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

To tell you honestly, I like Bell's ideas about Armenia's possible strategic plans at time of war with baboonistan. About concentrated damage and breaking of the enemy's will in war continuation. About unproductive and unnessesary thoughts of capturing baku. He has some good ideas and knowledge about lots of other things too. But what bothers me is his cinicism towards the subject he is supposedly expressing himself about. If you are so cynical about something then why are you interested in it? His satirical expressions about "our 3000 yr hystory" leaves me in doubt as to what is his intention? What, we should not be proud of our history? No matter what is happening now, the history is there and need be taken into account for future.
He knows a lot, that is abvious, he is very intelligent also. But expressing ideas is not just enough. Need a little more compassion about subject. Just flat thruths or calculations cannot get to their point without a little bit honey in them.
Sometimes I wonder if he comes here just to destroy a subject. Like human rights or freedoms. Taking a problem in the face and slapping it around is not the way.

That "our 3000 year history" was a phrase used in a post attacking me personally. A country or a person wanting to be taken seriously as a nation or an individual would not go strutting around boasting about "our 3000 year history" in a context of modern-day politics, defense, and international relations - yet many Armenians (the ones here anyway) seem to do exactly that (along with the "first Christian nation" thing). OK, slapping you around the face doesn't work, so what will? Coz you will have to get over doing it or risk seeing the little that is left of Armenia preserved just in a dusty room in a Russian museum along with a lot of other 3000-year-old artifacts from extinct cultures.

And the whole use by you of the word "our", and my use of the word "your" is wrong - and rather silly anyway since very few here live in Armenia, and a declining few were born there. I use "your" because you are using "our" - but it is a discussion subject, not something that should have an "our" or a "your" label on it all the time. Do you think think 5th, 6th or 7th-generation Italian Americans still talk about "our" in relation to anything connected with modern Italy, and claim that they alone have the right, thanks to some distant connection to Italy, to express opinions about what that modern Italy should do and not to?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

RUSSIAN FORMER AMBASSADOR TO ARMENIA IS INDIGNANT AT STATEMENT BY AN ARMENIAN EXPERT IN AN INTERVIEW WITH ARMINFO NEWS AGENCY

by Marianna Mkrtchyan

There is soooh much falsehoods, lies, deceptions, and distortions in this, together with such vileness in language and thought and intent, that I've got better things to do than dissect it all. I guess my interest has limits.