Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

" trying to make more of it that the facts seem to suggest."
I am glad you said it and not me.

I can't speak for others - but I'm never not glad if someone says something that is likely to be true.

Based on what she is saying in the article, even the mp who was in the car, Zaruhi Postanjyan, doesn't seem to be suggesting that there was some sort of wider conspiracy - and she is not someone who is normally silent when it comes to criticising Sargisyan.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

ARMENIAN FAMILIES RECEIVED 10-DAY NOTICE OF EVICTION TO HOST RUSSIAN SOLDIERS
26/09/2013 Lragir.am News

http://www.lragir.am/index/eng/0/country/view/30970

A group of Armenian families living in the 8th district of Gyumri
have informed Gala TV that they are made to move from their apartments
where families of soldiers arriving from Russia will live. "Last week
they have received notices to move from the apartments to vacate space
for Russian families. We have heard Russian servicemen living in the
neighborhood talk that 3000 families will move to Gyumri in the result
of serious recruitment for the 102nd military base," Arman Gevorgyan
told Gala TV. Besides Russian soldiers Armenians of Russia also live
in the mentioned district of Gyumri.

The Russian consulate did not comment on this issue. The Russian
embassy said they do not have any detailed information on Moscow's
intention to expand the 102nd military base of Gyumri.

The spokesman for the Ministry of Defense said the ministry is going
to meet and discuss the issue of these families to make sure that
they are not left in the street. He also said he was unaware of the
reasons for Russia's intention.

'If it goes like this, Gyumri will definitely become Putinograd.'

http://en.aravot.am/2013/09/28/161809/

September 28 2013


It has been a few days since the inhabitants of Russian dwelling place
Petushok, Gyumri, or the same as the 8th district (Gyumri people call
it Vosmoy garadok) receive a note from the Russian 102nd military base
responsible persons saying to immediately leave their apartments
within 10 days. Yesterday, over the Gala TV, utterly surprised
inhabitants were expressing their outrage with regard to this fact,
emphasizing that they did not get their flats from the air, but they
have family members working in the Russia 102nd military base.
According to their information, there are deported to expand the
Russian military base for recruitment of new Russian servicemen. The
matter is about non-privatized apartments, in which the Armenian
families have spent a lot of money; they had applied for privatization
on time but they were rejected. However, the inhabitants facing the
danger of becoming homeless were angry about the fact that the
Russians treat them as they want on the Armenian ground. Aravot.am
asked for the opinion regarding this issue from Vahan Tumasyan,
President of `Shirak Center' NGO, which is engaged in the issues of
Gyumri homeless. `I still told a year ago that so many people will
migrate from Gyumri that just as many people will be left as needed to
serve the Russian military base, making it work,'- reminded Vahan
Tumasyan in the beginning of the conversation. To our observation
whether the Armenians serving for the Russian military base are
actullay moved out of their apartments, the head of the NGO said,- `If
I'm not mistaken, in 1991, when the contract was signed, then several
new contracts were re-signed, the Armenian side should have taken into
account the risks, that some monetary compensation to the border
troops was to be expected, as well as who was going to solve the
issues of housing and domestic with regard to recruitment of Russian
troops, and so on. They must have understood that they would encounter
such challenges, and now the Customs Union and so on ... Of course, it
is sad, that there is a huge army of homeless in Gyumri, and we are
adding the number of homeless families in the city year-after-year,
this definitely will have a grave consequences: it will increase the
migration from the city, will increase the poverty. Of course, the
matter over there is a little different, if I'm not mistaken, this
district was originally built and envisaged for the Russian military
officers, later Armenians were also living there, resale took place.
But, before that, Armenian families who were serving in the Russian
military base, were living there and they all had Russian citizenship.
The sad part is that we refused many to get apartments because they
had Russian citizenship, and the Russian side moves out its citizens
from, naturally, service apartments, if the apartments were
privatized, nothing could have happened. To note that many of those
citizens of Armenia were much more dedicated to Russia than the
original Russians who live in the RF. What can you do, it is their own
property,'- said Vahan Tumasyan. In response to the question whether
it is possible that one day Gyumri will be again renamed to
Alexandrapol due to the fact of increasing the number of Russians and
such mastering pose of the Russians, our interlocutor said, `I want to
approach this issue optimistically, and hope that a normal solution
will be found, but if you jokingly approach to what said, then why we
should call Gyumri with the female name of old tsars, Alexandrapol,
instead of renaming with the name of the modern one, Putinograd. Not
until the knife reaches the bone, we understand that you can not live
with the status of a vassal, if our authorities keep with the
Armenian-Russian relations as such, definitely our city will become
Putinograd, but I am sure that we will not allow it,' said our
interlocutor.

Nune AREVSHATYAN

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

So let me get this straight. These people lived in those apartments for decades without paying for them and now that the owner wants them gone they are complaining? Where is the terrible injustice in all of this?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

So let me get this straight. These people lived in those apartments for decades without paying for them and now that the owner wants them gone they are complaining? Where is the terrible injustice in all of this?

Too true: Russia has bought and paid for Armenia, so it can do whatever it likes with its own property. If it wants to import 10000 Russians into Gyumri (3000 families mean at least 10000 people) that's fine - it's not as if that many Armenians want the place, they can go live in America or Russia or a hole in the ground (10 days notice of eviction is more than enough time to dig a family-size hole, and holes in the ground were good enough for the average citizen of Gyumri 200 years ago before the Russians arrived).

I don't know where you get the info that they "lived in those apartments for decades without paying for them" - there is no such suggestion in the news reports. And it says little for Armenian justice that tenents can be evicted from property they have been living in for decades with only 10 days notice.

[TomServo]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Putin has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Federate]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Putin has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

More deserving than Dronebama.

[TomServo]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

More deserving than Dronebama.

Obama was actually a laureate (I doubt Putin will be) but definitely was not deserving. But if you look at the list of recipients there are several questionable choices down the line.

[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Too true: Russia has bought and paid for Armenia, so it can do whatever it likes with its own property. If it wants to import 10000 Russians into Gyumri (3000 families mean at least 10000 people) that's fine - it's not as if that many Armenians want the place, they can go live in America or Russia or a hole in the ground

And you came to this conclusion from the article.....wow, just wow
Armenian homeless dig a hole in the ground......some haters will see what they want to see Haykakan.

Armenians biggest disadvantage is that we have good hearts.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

its right here man in the article you posted " they had applied for privatization on time but they were rejected" this means those apartments were never theirs. I would bet they had plenty of other warnings long before now, many of these articles seem very biased.

Too true: Russia has bought and paid for Armenia, so it can do whatever it likes with its own property. If it wants to import 10000 Russians into Gyumri (3000 families mean at least 10000 people) that's fine - it's not as if that many Armenians want the place, they can go live in America or Russia or a hole in the ground (10 days notice of eviction is more than enough time to dig a family-size hole, and holes in the ground were good enough for the average citizen of Gyumri 200 years ago before the Russians arrived).

I don't know where you get the info that they "lived in those apartments for decades without paying for them" - there is no such suggestion in the news reports. And it says little for Armenian justice that tenents can be evicted from property they have been living in for decades with only 10 days notice.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Obama was actually a laureate (I doubt Putin will be) but definitely was not deserving. But if you look at the list of recipients there are several questionable choices down the line.

But i though all things western were wonderfully infallible and that we should disregard all matters of our security and bow down before the west....