Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

You do not raise a countries population by limiting women to motherhood because they will get the hell out if you do that. Armenia needs a better standard of living and security for it to grow its population and women can play a important role besides the mother one.

Most women just follow the mainstream ideas. If the mainstream dictates "women should stay home and care for the young", they will be happy to do that, and if the mainstream dictates "women should xxxx around, work until their mid-thirties and become used up hags that nobody is interested in" they will also do that. The only problem is that after all is said and done, these same women will want a a family and find out most men aren't really interested in used up hags, and in turn, these women will blame men for their misfortunes, rather than realize, that "since women are free to do what they want, they are completely responsible for their actions, and they can no longer blame others for their short-sighted decisions.

However, if feminists continuously tell women that they are victims, and the perpetrators are men, women will naturally shift all the blame onto men. This "victimhood" concept is very important for feminists, as without it they have no stronghold whatsoever. The mainstream western culture encourages women to do what they desire, and at the same time tells them to blame men for everything that's wrong in their lives.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Armenian Dating Economics by "Pat"
A Critical Response to "You're Too Much"
source: http://www.asbarez.com/72703/you%E2%80%99re-too-much/

Thanks for posting this yerazhishda. That's a nice response to typical feminist article full of misandry.

Isn't it so typical? A used up hag in her mid thirties blames men for the stupid decisions she made in her life. If she wants to sleep around, and have a career until she is past the effective child-bearing age, everyone should accommodate her desires. Then, when she decides she wants to have a family, again, she wants everyone to accommodate her desires. Well, it doesn't work like that. Not many men are interested in a used up hag in her mid-thirties. But, of coarse, that beyond the comprehension of an average feminist. If her desires, and wants aren't met, she'll never take responsibility because she's suffering from "eternal victim" syndrome, and will continue to demonize and blame men for all the problems in her life.

No matter how much social engineering is put into place, it will never overwrite nature, and used-up feminist hags will only find companionship with their cats. I say, instead of blaming men for her problems, she should blame feminism for selling her the lie that "she can sleep around in her twenties and have a career, then when she's reaching mid-to-late thirties she can at a moment's notice decide she wants to have a family, and there will be hoards of men fighting for her." Of coarse, when that doesn't happen, she will naturally blame the men around her with statements such as "They are intimidated by my intelligence", "They are not good enough for me", "They are not intelligent enough for me", "They are just pigs", all this in order to hide the true nature of the problem, which is that "she is just a used up hag in her mid to late thirties, her looks have faded, she is nothing but easy sex, and most men would rather start a family with a younger woman who is more likely to give birth to healthy children (or give birth at all, as years of being on the pill have probably done some irreparable damage to her reproductive system)."

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Social Media and Women's Empowerment

17:36 - 13.03.10

At the opening of the Women and Work conference March 8 in Turin,
Italy, Madlen Serban, the director of the European Training
Foundation, or ETF, revealed an ambitious hope for the symposium. She
hoped the event, held 100 years after the first international women's
conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, in 1910, would yield new answers,
rather than just new questions, ...... (blah, blah, blah...)

Just another article addressing how women just want privilege in the name of equality. If 100 years of empowerment didn't brink equality, then either the targeted group is incapable, or just flaunts "me, me, me, want, want, want, give, give, give".

[yerazhishda]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Armenian Dating Economics by "Pat"
A Critical Response to "You're Too Much"
source: http://www.asbarez.com/72703/you%E2%80%99re-too-much/

I find it amazing that most of the articles I've read in this section have a tendency of portraying the situation between Hye men and women as that of the victimized sophisticated "female" that cannot hope to find someone "on her level" she can get along with and the seemingly lost blue collar hye guy that simply can't cut it for the "women of this generation"

Let me first say that I am a 29 year old Armenian physician that grew up right here in SoCal and have bore witness to the dissociation taking place between the sexes in my generation amongst some Hye men and women. None of the reasons you've ever written about has anything to do with the problem. On the contrary, you're own personal approach and mindset as an Armenian woman writing about these issues is in fact a testament to the actual root of the problem.

The issue at hand is twofold, both having to do with how the propagation or lack-there-of, of Armenian values has taken place from the immediate previous immigrant generation to the present generation of 15-29 year old age demographic. Namely, in most families, what I have encountered is a virulent tendency to pamper and prissy the girl in the house in absurdly unnecessary ways while the male sibling in the house is prematurely expected to grow to manhood and begin thinking about "life" and "making money". All the while, the little princess of the household gets to continue on to college and post-graduate professional training without any cultural or financial obligations except for the one dimensional end goal of "becoming highly educated". Her brother on the other hand is expected to run the family business at age 18, start a business of his own to contribute, or some other variant of these two eventualities.

By the time all is said and done, you have a female that has acquired an undergraduate degree and most of the time a professional (insert Lawyer, Dentist, Doctor, etc) or graduate degree while the male of the same household was expected to either A) start earning in his late teens or early 20s to contribute to the family (including the education of his female sibling) or B) was only allowed enough tolerance time-wise to finish a paltry "quick and dirty" undergraduate degree and then again "begin earning" to supplement the family income.

Given the huge disparity in expectations the two sexes experience in their own households, is it not a wonder then that you have these spoiled hye women in your articles claiming things like “I’ve dated them all,” without successfully having found a hye guy to her liking? The classic statements you hear from these women is "I want someone with goals and a good shoulder on their heads" (TRANSLATED: I want someone that went through as much post-high school education as me, a blue collar Hye is not good enough). Another audacious response is "I want someone that is open minded" , (TRANSLATED: I want to someone that will tolerate my long history of odar relationships and partners while I was receiving my "education" in college/graduate school).

The sad truth is that more and more Armenian women of this generation are being raised to shun their traditional roles within the Armenian family unit and nucleus in lieu of re-asserting themselves as "strong women" based on the degenerate post-modern norms of MTV and pop-culture not too mention 1970's feministic extremes.

Armenian men have had a greater tendency to retain their cultural identity and expectations, as such, a cultural gap has occurred, that of the Armenian male and his cultural expectations/norms of a Armenian woman, and the post-modern Armenian female, that has been pampered into a state of progressive cultural degeneration. The evidence is staring the whole community in the face, more and more you see Armenian males unwilling to take Armenian wives amongst the population of Hye women here in the US due to a cultural gap which in theory should not even exist amongst opposing sexes within the same ethnic group. Instead, many Hye men either opt to meet someone abroad in Lebanon, Armenia, Iran, etc due to the greater retention of common cultural values and identity which those women have shown to possess.

Ironically enough, many of these "post-modern" women are a by-product of their own mother's upbringing. It's become trendy for an Armenian mother to tell her daughter things like "Hye dxamarteeg kezi ztaraee nman ge pahen, ezgoosh elir", or "Hye dxamarteeg gorroz en, odar dxamarteeg shat batz mitkov ke metazten". This type of shameless "motherly advice" has done nothing more than accelerate the centrifugal assimilation of the Armenian identity of the Diaspora. These Hye mothers in their anger toward their own failed marriages are committing a great disservice to our culture and identity in poisoning the minds of their daughters towards Hye men before they are even "out of the gate" so to speak. All this, in the name of personal female spite a woman may have against her husband due to inter-personal marriage related problems. In essence, a mother in an unhappy marriage passes on her spite towards her husband onto her daughter that has yet to even attempt to establish an Armenian family; what possible chance could that girl have of establishing a healthy relationship with an Armenian man based on the tradition and cultural values which keeps the Hye idenitity alive when the young Armenian male is demonized as "hetamenatz", or "ankeert" ?

If an ANY woman magnanimously can assert that she has dated all varieties of men in her respective culture without being able to satiate her desire to find the "right person"; logic beckons to question whether SHE has something wrong with her within the context of her own culture and furthermore, it becomes obvious that the expectations she has developed for herself in who that right person is are grossly inappropriate both culturally as well as on an interpersonal basis.

I think it is high time all of those Hye women in their late 20s and early 30s still single should quickly learn to value Hye men a whole lot more rather than spend their time exaggerating the flaws of Hye men that have been ingrained in them by their shameless mothers. Moreover, these same women must also accept the fact that a 4000+ year old culture is not about to abandon its traditions and values in order to conform to standards of a faction of Diasporan Hye women that have been duped to believe that the pop-culture norms of their host countries somehow supersedes in quality when compared to those norms set forth by thousands of years of Armenian ethnic tradition and way of life.

Perhaps the most astounding revelation to come of all this is the simple fact of the Armenian Genocide. Hundreds of thousands of women marched desserts, tolerated rape, were humiliated, and eventually met their untimely death but still refused to simply establish a relationship with their odar persecutors to save their own lives. In essence, they never abandoned their culture, way of life, ethnic identity, and most importantly their men with the delusion of finding something "better" or even "safer". Some even took arms against their persecutors in physical struggle alongside Armenian men and later on fulfilled their roles within their respective Armenian family structure with the utmost of pride, dignity, and resolve as Armenian mothers.

Yet today, all I read about is moans, groans, and whines from these "Armenian women" about how their so called expectations are not met. Please, enough is enough. It is these very blue collar Armenian men that work 10 hour shifts to put these spoiled brats through college not too mention the BMWs and Range Rovers they drive to and forth from UCLA, USC, or Boston University. We have supported, protected, and died for our culture and now those that live under the very protection and community that we have establish, declare that amongst all of us men, they cannot find ONE individual suitable to their expectations?

The author and all of these women need a reality check, one which many self-respecting Armenian men now a days have already declared; as the famous adage goes, "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT"! Just remember, if you do decide to leave, don't bring what you've left this culture for back into our communities, no odar can ever take the place of an Armenian man, regardless of how many Armenian words and sentences the odar may learn.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Social Media and Women's Empowerment

17:36 - 13.03.10

At the opening of the Women and Work conference March 8 in Turin,
Italy, Madlen Serban, the director of the European Training
Foundation, or ETF, revealed an ambitious hope for the symposium. She
hoped the event, held 100 years after the first international women's
conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, in 1910, would yield new answers,
rather than just new questions, about women in the workforce in
EU-partner countries, writes Rose Deniz in Hurriyet Daily News and
Economic Review.

A century later, do we really have new answers?

As one of 22 female bloggers invited to a pre-conference workshop by
international communications specialist Silvia Cambie, I set out to
find out.

The invitation came along with the task of addressing three major
issues of concern to the ETF, and to the EU at large - women's
transition from school to work, entrepreneurship and social inclusion.
In the weeks leading up to the conference, questions and thoughts were
shared on the Women and Work Ning group (womenandwork.ning.com), a
virtual hub linking bloggers and writers in Armenia, Azerbaijan,
Croatia, Egypt, Georgia, Jordan, Lebanon, the former Yugoslav Republic
of Macedonia, Russia, Tunisia and eight more countries.

The day before the keynote address given by Jung Chang, author of
`Wild Swans' and the first person from the People's Republic of China
to be awarded a Ph.D. from a British university, we sat in a large
circle staring out onto a snow-covered terrace and cracked the ice by
doing teambuilding and creativity exercises. Having all met virtually
online, it was time to work together in person.

It turns out we all had something in common besides being mostly
women. (The two male participants had spent a good deal of their
working life trying to solve social problems and gender inequality.)
It wasn't that we were all bloggers, either, because as it turned out,
only a handful of the participants had begun blogging in the early
2000s, while 10 or more had just started this year or were yet to
start a blog. The commonality was that social media had brought us
together.

Through Twitter, Facebook and personal blogs, Cambie curated a group
of people addressing issues of women's empowerment internationally.
Lara Aharonian creates a support network for women in Yerevan at the
Women's Resource Center. Mari Sharashidze in Tbilisi enables women's
access to resources and information. Vedrana Spajic-Vrkas in Zagreb is
stringent about curriculum and how it addresses gender imbalance as a
professor in the faculty of humanities and social sciences. Elena
Fedyashina plays a major role in furthering women business leaders
with the nonprofit partnership The Committee of 20 in Moscow, while
Fatma Mokhtar speaks to issues of equality and egalitarianism as a
researcher for Nazra Association for Feminist Studies in Cairo.

Work groups hashed out tough questions about helping entrepreneurially
inclined women develop self-esteem, and how to de-gender jobs by
focusing on skills rather than sex. I suggested throwing out
elimination of gender-specific language from job postings in Turkey as
a first step.

Tunisian Lina Ben Mhenni, coordinator of the captivating and highly
controversial campaign `We are all Laila,' founded by Eman Abd El
Rahman in Egypt, described herself as a blogger fighting for freedom
of expression in her country. Journalist Jasmine Elnadeem of the
Al-Ahram newspaper commented on specific tasks needed to be done to
enable gender equality: train private and governmental media to
involve human rights in their work and start role-modeling at early
age in schools to spread awareness.

Dining the first night in Turin, I turned to my companion and
discovered she was Armenian, as was the woman sitting next to her.
While chatting about the egalitarianism of Facebook and Twitter,
suggesting that the Internet may be one of the few safe places for
women to reveal their true thoughts, we decided to take a picture: two
Armenian women and one American married to a Turk flaunting our
friendship in the face of Turkey's complaints about the Obama
administration's lack of resolve to block the Armenian Genocide
resolution last week.

As I discovered in Turin, when it comes to the personal, peace and
equality takes precedent over the political. One hundred years later,
there are new answers, but there is also a very important question yet
to be answered: Will policy makers heed our advice?

Tert.am

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Man your going off the deep end again. Like who said anything about waving the white flag. We have plenty of land now to grow on unlike the palastinians. If we can prevent war people will be more likely to populate these lands-it realy is that simple.

The reason why people don't move to Armenia is the economy, and the war with Azerbajian; you can't expect everyone to all and one go come back to Armenia, you are right. It will take a lot of time to encourage people to come back to Armenia, but as Armenia's economy gets stronger Azeri's will become less and less of a threat because Azerbaijan's oil economy won't last; and when the oil economy goes bust so will the support for Azerbajian from nations other than Turkey. Better to keep the peace, and let Azeri's start the wars; better being a defender than an attacker.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

How do you suppose Armenia maintain peace when they are surrounded by imperialists? It's either you fight them off or assimilate into them. How is this such a hard thing for you to understand? You don't think Palestinians want peace? They want their own land so they can determine their own future and not live like 3rd class citizens with mother Israel smacking them down day after day. Israel has already taken on your example of China and has built a wall around them. They are determined to grow, take over land and push anyone else out of the way and if you think they are going to stop because you wave the white flag of peace, they'll just laugh in your face as they bulldoze over you.

Man your going off the deep end again. Like who said anything about waving the white flag. We have plenty of land now to grow on unlike the palastinians. If we can prevent war people will be more likely to populate these lands-it realy is that simple.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

So long as you can follow logic you will not be lost. Plenty of people actually move to other countries to feel more accepted, that is exactly why so many of the immigrants came to the usa - to escape persecution and live their lives the way they tought was best for them. The persecuted people searching for a place to escape persicution are the ones who founded usa. Sure Armenia is not a economic powerhouse but neither was the usa at first. Economies are built, they dont spring up from the ground randomly. A diversity of ideas will help us make better decisions, economies a nation. I am not sugesting any particular model for growth but being open and accepting just by itself will attract many people. Armenia has lost much of its population yet it has gained considerable territories thus there is plenty of room for more people in Hayastan/kharabagh and the business of economics and job creation is very much in the hands of the management (government) of the country. Armenia has managed a impressive growth rate even while being blockaded by turckey and azeris, with the reopenig of the georgian rout to russia we will get back on track to a stronger economy and there will be plenty of jobs for both locals and immigrants. Given peace and security Armenia will prosper and immigrants can hasten the process and provide a much needed diversity of ideas. You are right about the resurgent russia and that we must stay on its good side but you also need to remember that a very strong armenia is not realy in russias interest, it needs us to be weak so it can keep controling us. I am glad you brought up china as a example because it serves to illustrate the point i am trying to make. China has a huge population because it enjoyed hundreds of years of peace thanks to powerfull dynasties and the great wall. This is why i emphasize peace, because without it we are doomed to no more then what we have now. The lands we gain through war will be completely worthless if no one wants to live on them.

How do you suppose Armenia maintain peace when they are surrounded by imperialists? It's either you fight them off or assimilate into them. How is this such a hard thing for you to understand? You don't think Palestinians want peace? They want their own land so they can determine their own future and not live like 3rd class citizens with mother Israel smacking them down day after day. Israel has already taken on your example of China and has built a wall around them. They are determined to grow, take over land and push anyone else out of the way and if you think they are going to stop because you wave the white flag of peace, they'll just laugh in your face as they bulldoze over you.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Nobody moves to a foreign society because it is accepting. You aren't in America because they accepted you. They needed slave labour because most of the people their society produces are worthless trailer park trash. If their society produced people worthy and capable of working, improving and advancing their country, you would still be on the other side of the world. But now you're insisting that Armenia lowers itself to western standards except Armenia doesn't have the ability to attract foreign workers since they aren't an economic powerhouse and will never have a chance to be until the power shifts towards Russia, China and Iran which will be happening very soon. China didn't accumulate 1.3 billion people from migration but somehow you're claiming Armenia can grow by taking the American model. I'm lost on this one.

So long as you can follow logic you will not be lost. Plenty of people actually move to other countries to feel more accepted, that is exactly why so many of the immigrants came to the usa - to escape persecution and live their lives the way they tought was best for them. The persecuted people searching for a place to escape persicution are the ones who founded usa. Sure Armenia is not a economic powerhouse but neither was the usa at first. Economies are built, they dont spring up from the ground randomly. A diversity of ideas will help us make better decisions, economies a nation. I am not sugesting any particular model for growth but being open and accepting just by itself will attract many people. Armenia has lost much of its population yet it has gained considerable territories thus there is plenty of room for more people in Hayastan/kharabagh and the business of economics and job creation is very much in the hands of the management (government) of the country. Armenia has managed a impressive growth rate even while being blockaded by turckey and azeris, with the reopenig of the georgian rout to russia we will get back on track to a stronger economy and there will be plenty of jobs for both locals and immigrants. Given peace and security Armenia will prosper and immigrants can hasten the process and provide a much needed diversity of ideas. You are right about the resurgent russia and that we must stay on its good side but you also need to remember that a very strong armenia is not realy in russias interest, it needs us to be weak so it can keep controling us. I am glad you brought up china as a example because it serves to illustrate the point i am trying to make. China has a huge population because it enjoyed hundreds of years of peace thanks to powerfull dynasties and the great wall. This is why i emphasize peace, because without it we are doomed to no more then what we have now. The lands we gain through war will be completely worthless if no one wants to live on them.

[gegev]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

There are animals that can change their gender. Evrica!