Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[ashot24]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Do you know why those tribes are isolated? Because had they come in contact with a society with strict family values, they would have been completely destroyed, as they have very little reason to fight and die, but the men with families do.

Tribes are the lowest form of society. They advance only when they form a strict family structure, which encourages even the weakest males to exert all their might in order to take care of their families. This is what creates advancement.

I don't about what kind of tribes are you people talking about, but I have worked with isolated tribes and communities of the Amazon region of my country (Ecuador) and they have a strict family structure inside their "lowest form of society". They are far more advanced than anybody could understand, and they have much to fight and die for.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I don't about what kind of tribes are you people talking about, but I have worked with isolated tribes and communities of the Amazon region of my country (Ecuador) and they have a strict family structure inside their "lowest form of society". They are far more advanced than anybody could understand, and they have much to fight and die for.

Hey ashot24, that was exactly my point, without a strict family structure, communities don't usually advance, and the men don't have much to fight for.

And tribes are indeed the "lowest form of society," anything below that cannot be considered a society.

[ashot24]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Hey ashot24, that was exactly my point, without a strict family structure, communities don't usually advance, and the men don't have much to fight for.

And tribes are indeed the "lowest form of society," anything below that cannot be considered a society.

I know, my point was to make that they are far more advanced than what people believe they are.

I am also curious, does anyone know about a tribe or community in history that hadn't some sort of family structure? I believe there cannot be one, in all modern human societies the family (structured in the way it may be) has always been the nucleus. But do you know about one?

Haha and I don't believe they are the lowest form of society, they follow very strict rules, they have their own morals, then I look how degraded, unmoral and rule-less our society is...

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I am also curious, does anyone know about a tribe or community in history that hadn't some sort of family structure? I believe there cannot be one, in all modern human societies the family (structured in the way it may be) has always been the nucleus. But do you know about one?

I have read about some tribes in which the men pass on their belongings to their sister's kids, as they have no idea who their kids are. However, I cannot recall the names of these tribes.

Haha and I don't believe they are the lowest form of society, they follow very strict rules, they have their own morals, then I look how degraded, unmoral and rule-less our society is...

Well, US mainstream culture isn't exactly family oriented, so it's no surprise that it's degraded, and immoral. And by lowest, I mean it is the smallest form of organizational structure, with a 2-level hierarchy. Anything other than that cannot be considered a society.


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Haykana, here is a quote for you from one of the crazies of the modern feminist movement. The fat and ugly whale that belongs more in the ocean than on land - Andrea Dworkin.
"The cultural institutions which embody and enforce those interlocked aberrations - for instance, law, art, religion, nation-states, the family, tribe, or commune based on father-right - these institutions are real and they must be destroyed."

Some more quotes by others (from the group of your beloved feminazis)

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race."-- Sally Miller Gearhart

"The destruction of the biological family, never envisioned by Freud, will allow the emergence of new women and men, different from any people who have previously existed." -- Alison Jaggar

"Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family, and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society." -- Paula Ettelbrick

"A middle ground might be to fight for same sex marriage and its benefits, and then, once granted, redefine the instution completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution." -- Michelangelo Signorile

"[Marriage] enforces women's dependence on men, it enforces heterosexuality and it imposes the prevailing masculine and feminine character structures on the next generation." -- Alison Jaggar, Feminist Politics and Human Nature

Oh, and don't forget the S.C.U.M. manifesto - S.C.U.M. = Society for Cutting Up Men


Now, tell me that feminism isn't a hate movement that is bent on destroying family, society, and bringing in total anarchy?
Armenia has absolutely nothing to gain from any ideas that originate from feminizis (but has much to lose).

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Haykana, here is a quote for you from one of the crazies of the modern feminist movement. The fat and ugly whale that belongs more in the ocean than on land - Andrea Dworkin.

"The cultural institutions which embody and enforce those interlocked aberrations - for instance, law, art, religion, nation-states, the family, tribe, or commune based on father-right - these institutions are real and they must be destroyed."

Andrea Dworkin was Hrya... no surprise there.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Well, US mainstream culture isn't exactly family oriented, so it's no surprise that it's degraded, and immoral. And by lowest, I mean it is the smallest form of organizational structure, with a 2-level hierarchy. Anything other than that cannot be considered a society.

Now, tell me that feminism isn't a hate movement that is bent on destroying family, society, and bringing in total anarchy?
Armenia has absolutely nothing to gain from any ideas that originate from feminizis (but has much to lose).

I agree. US mainstream culture shouldn't even be considered culture. You will find the largest degeneration of man in America. Why else are Americans the most hated people in the world?

This whole feminism movement and "Sexual revolution" is an excuse for prostitution and out of marriage affairs. The more women gain freedom the more prostitution and the immorality of society increases. Armenian women have disgraced the Armenian race enough outside of Armenia. They should be kept on tight leash because God knows what will happen if not.

We need our laws in Armenia to reflect this and prevent any women liberalism. We need to make sure women who go over the line are punished. I for one will make that my priority when I return to Yerevan shortly to address this. I have both friends and relatives that have connections in the government (my uncle is in parliament and is friends with Serzh and Tigran Sargsyan but I won't say the name). This won't take overnight, but will be a slow and gradual process.

[ashot24]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

This whole feminism movement and "Sexual revolution" is an excuse for prostitution and out of marriage affairs. The more women gain freedom the more prostitution and the immorality of society increases. Armenian women have disgraced the Armenian race enough outside of Armenia. They should be kept on tight leash because God knows what will happen if not.

We need our laws in Armenia to reflect this and prevent any women liberalism. We need to make sure women who go over the line are punished. I for one will make that my priority when I return to Yerevan shortly to address this. I have both friends and relatives that have connections in the government (my uncle is in parliament and is friends with Serzh and Tigran Sargsyan but I won't say the name). This won't take overnight, but will be a slow and gradual process.

That is an exaggeration, and an insult to our women. Yes, there are every kind of people in this world, but you shouldn't generalize...there are women who have self-respect.

What we need is the return of family values, morals, dignity, and self-respect, not laws prohibiting anything to anybody, because the more you prohibit or punish someone for something, the more people is going to look after it, specially nowadays with all the possibilities to break the law we have.

You complain about the Iranians to be backwards peoples, yet you promote the institutionalization of laws prohibiting women of doing certain things and enjoying their right to liberate and be independent, the same laws this country and people you say are backwards have in their societies in order to prevent women from doing what you are saying, but guess what...they do it, but in silence...isn't that worst? We're creating hypocrites this way.

What we need is morals, not laws prohibiting anything.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Yes he's exaggerating.... but feminism is wrong and polluting the minds of young girls everywhere.

[ashot24]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Oh yeah I know, I don't support any of that, nor feminism nor machismo...both are wrong in my opinion, every extreme is wrong and those are extremist arguments they come with...but people loves the extremes.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

That is an exaggeration, and an insult to our women. Yes, there are every kind of people in this world, but you shouldn't generalize...there are women who have self-respect.

What we need is the return of family values, morals, dignity, and self-respect, not laws prohibiting anything to anybody, because the more you prohibit or punish someone for something, the more people is going to look after it, specially nowadays with all the possibilities to break the law we have.

You complain about the Iranians to be backwards peoples, yet you promote the institutionalization of laws prohibiting women of doing certain things and enjoying their right to liberate and be independent, the same laws this country and people you say are backwards have in their societies in order to prevent women from doing what you are saying, but guess what...they do it, but in silence...isn't that worst? We're creating hypocrites this way.

What we need is morals, not laws prohibiting anything.

I agree that there are sensible, modest, Armenian women who respect family values and their culture. but their numbers are decreases very fast.

What is needed is basic laws which will partial curb corruption in Armenia, I've already lost hope for Armenians outside. For example, strict laws against prostitution, laws against Armenian women working at strip clubs, laws against premarital sex for women, restricting marriage with other nationalities especially other religions, and possibly putting some limit on dress (though I do admit this will be difficult to do, and not the best thing to do).

These are all sensible laws, that reflect BASIC morals of family. Unfortunately Armenian women are at great risk given the Persian hooligans, women trafficking, and the great desire to go live outside.

You want to see the dangers of western culture go to California. I went there once in my life and vowed never to return. Just seeing how the west had corrupted many once smart and respectable Armenians. What is this thing with gangs and this whole obsession with blacks? Most downgrading things I've ever seen there.