Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I agree that there are sensible, modest, Armenian women who respect family values and their culture. but their numbers are decreases very fast.

What is needed is basic laws which will partial curb corruption in Armenia, I've already lost hope for Armenians outside. For example, strict laws against prostitution, laws against Armenian women working at strip clubs, laws against premarital sex for women, restricting marriage with other nationalities especially other religions, and possibly putting some limit on dress (though I do admit this will be difficult to do, and not the best thing to do).

These are all sensible laws, that reflect BASIC morals of family. Unfortunately Armenian women are at great risk given the Persian hooligans, women trafficking, and the great desire to go live outside.

You want to see the dangers of western culture go to California. I went there once in my life and vowed never to return. Just seeing how the west had corrupted many once smart and respectable Armenians. What is this thing with gangs and this whole obsession with blacks? Most downgrading things I've ever seen there.

This isn't something that can be reversed by men making laws and dictating their behavior. This is a movement that has to be initiated among the women in a culture, particularly in the form of media and role models. They have to see that what they are doing to themselves is degrading. In western culture, it's not degrading to them because they benefit from the liberal laws and corrupt corporate culture. It will get worse before it gets better.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

This isn't something that can be reversed by men making laws and dictating their behavior. This is a movement that has to be initiated among the women in a culture, particularly in the form of media and role models. They have to see that what they are doing to themselves is degrading. In western culture, it's not degrading to them because they benefit from the liberal laws and corrupt corporate culture. It will get worse before it gets better.

You need to sometimes give women guidance. Such laws will give women guidance. For breaking these laws they won't be hanged (this not Iran) but at least they will know that they are breaking the law and thus reflect upon their actions.

The problem is most importantly how these women grow up from little children and up. Education must be revised, and religion has to become a bigger part of their lives. I've seen the more educated women in Yerevan to be the more modest and aware of the culture.

We're not Americans, Russians, or Japanese in quantity. We can't afford this to happen. We have to take drastic action. The problem is even worse for us given our large diaspora. Georgia for example is in better position than us given they have much smaller diaspora.

[ashot24]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

The problem is most importantly how these women grow up from little children and up. Education must be revised, and religion has to become a bigger part of their lives. I've seen the more educated women in Yerevan to be the more modest and aware of the culture.

I agree with this part, indeed and not just for all peoples, reforms in education should be implement for all in order to teach them values such as morals, dignity and self-respect, also reforms in order to make us embrace, feel proud, protect, and pass our culture and our history to the next generations. Also, religion has to become a bigger part of the lives of all of US. People don't live under Christian values anymore, and it is such a shame, specially for the Armenian people. We have to restore Christian values in our families and in our lives, but really restore and embrace them, and that has to born from the inside...people has to wake up.

We're not Americans, Russians, or Japanese in quantity. We can't afford this to happen. We have to take drastic action. The problem is even worse for us given our large diaspora. Georgia for example is in better position than us given they have much smaller diaspora.

Well, the SOBs never had anybody trying to eliminate them...

[Mos]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Armenian race has gotten through a lot, probably more than any other race. It is a miracle and by God's grace that we exist as a people today. A pure miracle. We cannot just let ourselves go at this point, we cannot let our people degrade themselves abroad. We've gotten to far, our ancestors have sacrificed so much, just so we can be Chrisitan and call ourselves "Hye" today. And it breaks my heart when I see Armenians both in Yerevan but mostly abroad throwing that to oneside and forgetting all this. Just submitting themselves to the western society. Forgetting their culture, disrespecting their families. We need better education and we need to somehow restore these fundamental family values back into our youth soon to become youth. God willing we can achieve this.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Levon your understanding of society and the man/woman relations are rather crude and limited. The tribes i mentioned would fight to the death to protect their society because the whole tribe is their family. The family unit that we are used to today is a byproduct of money. Once money is introduced into society then people get possesive and they want my money, my home, my woman, my child, my cattle, my car... where in the tribe everything was ours and nothing was mine. Most of the stress/mental disorders of today are a product of the unnatural way of life the "wage slave" and the stay at home momy roles imposed on people. People are simply more versetile then that and versitility is what makes us human-it is what has allowed us to survive and thrive. The femanist examples you brought up have nothing to do with the conversation we are having. I never advocated for anything violent, i simply said placing needless limitations on people (male or female) is just counter productive and needless. That same statement goes for Mos to. Mos hates the Iranian society but he advocates turning Armenia into exactly that with the moral order and dresscode to boot. I guess he sees it justified since it would be the catoghicos instead of the mulah runing the show but i dont make any such distinction-they are all the same crap. The more limitations you start putting on society and people the more miserable life becomes-that is why people fight for freedom. Armenia is already too homogenous and conservative for its own good. What it needs more then anything else is peace and security. If peace and security are achieved then the rest will fall into place. The whole narcistic culture which is spreading today all over the world is a direct product of judaism and its emphasis on self and thus selfishness. People are meant to live in a tribal setting, being alone or even in a single family unit is not our natural form of existance. Sure we can exist in many different ways since people are versetile but these ways are not good for us. The killer of the natural way of life for humanity is its own creation "MONEY". Once money is introduced into any tribal society they become poseesive self centered a holes and quickly abandon the tribe mentality. The resulting societies are not better, sure they may achieve more as far as technology etc but they totally destroy our humanity and turn people into money chasing idiots who forget that it is not the big house or the new car that makes us happy and fulfilled. Money makes people lose touch with their own humanity and natural state of existance and it also makes people suseptible to control and manipulation. It is interesting how humanity falls victim to its own creation (be it money, family, religion..) and if one could look at it with objectivity, as a unconserned party, i think it would even be a funny observation.

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Personally I think both parent's should be involved with their children. I don't agree with the mother staying at home/working all the time and the father going out to work and never spending much time with the children. It's terrible for a child growing up to have only one parent with them, or to have very little time with the parents at all and just be sent to daycare. Both my parents worked but had time to be with me, and especially since I was dyslexic without my parent's support I would have never learned how to read or write, let alone attend university.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

That same statement goes for Mos to. Mos hates the Iranian society but he advocates turning Armenia into exactly that with the moral order and dresscode to boot. I guess he sees it justified since it would be the catoghicos instead of the mulah runing the show but i dont make any such distinction-they are all the same crap. The more limitations you start putting on society and people the more miserable life becomes-that is why people fight for freedom. Armenia is already too homogenous and conservative for its own good. What it needs more then anything else is peace and security. If peace and security are achieved then the rest will fall into place. The whole narcistic culture which is spreading today all over the world is a direct product of judaism and its emphasis on self and thus selfishness. People are meant to live in a tribal setting, being alone or even in a single family unit is not our natural form of existance. Sure we can exist in many different ways since people are versetile but these ways are not good for us.

First of all what I propose and what is present in Iran are two wholly different things. In Iran, it is a theocracy taken to a very extreme level. I'm not advocating theocracy, I'm advocating basic laws which will help guide women away from the worst corruptions that sicken many societies. Look at how many Armenian women have been sickened by the West abroad after having lived so many years.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Personally I think both parent's should be involved with their children. I don't agree with the mother staying at home/working all the time and the father going out to work and never spending much time with the children. It's terrible for a child growing up to have only one parent with them, or to have very little time with the parents at all and just be sent to daycare. Both my parents worked but had time to be with me, and especially since I was dyslexic without my parent's support I would have never learned how to read or write, let alone attend university.

women should be more involved with their children. Men have to work and can't be tied to the house all the time.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I believe the sickness your adressing is narcissism which is a natural outcome of a money based society. Capitolism is at its core a narcisstic concept and a country with this system will have narcisstic people. This disease is not limited in any way to women. There is a reason why people were way nicer to each other during the soviet days and are totally self involved today and that reason is money. Sure there was money during the soviet times to but life did not revolve around it like it does in a capitalistic society. If you want a better society with both men and women treating each other better then you have to change the economic system. Money will corrupt any society because it is about ownership. People are ill equiped to deal with ownership because it is not in our natural evolution and was introduced much later. People in tribal hunting and gathering societies did not own land nor anything or anyone else. Owning the land was a foreighn concept to them which is why the american indians were so easily duped into signing onesided treaties. Introducing a monitery system into a society effectively takes away the humanity of that society and quickly turns it into what we are experiencing today. The sad truth is that a society based on money will outcompete other forms of societies but it also guerantees its own collapse which is why every civilization using a monitery system has climaxed then faded into history. The monitery system provides a competative advantage but also dooms that same society to failure. We humans have invented money but our own invention has us chasing our own tails in a endless circle. We need to bring this endless chase to a stop if we ever hope to live like humans again. Untill then we will simply be chasing our own tales and living for money-not us. Women are no more at fault then the men are and restricting the rights of either one will never fix anything but it will create resentment and hate and everything else that comes along with it. It is very important to understand what the real problem is instead of chasing its symptoms.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I believe the sickness your adressing is narcissism which is a natural outcome of a money based society. Capitolism is at its core a narcisstic concept and a country with this system will have narcisstic people. This disease is not limited in any way to women. There is a reason why people were way nicer to each other during the soviet days and are totally self involved today and that reason is money. Sure there was money during the soviet times to but life did not revolve around it like it does in a capitalistic society. If you want a better society with both men and women treating each other better then you have to change the economic system. Money will corrupt any society because it is about ownership. People are ill equiped to deal with ownership because it is not in our natural evolution and was introduced much later. People in tribal hunting and gathering societies did not own land nor anything or anyone else. Owning the land was a foreighn concept to them which is why the american indians were so easily duped into signing onesided treaties. Introducing a monitery system into a society effectively takes away the humanity of that society and quickly turns it into what we are experiencing today. The sad truth is that a society based on money will outcompete other forms of societies but it also guerantees its own collapse which is why every civilization using a monitery system has climaxed then faded into history. The monitery system provides a competative advantage but also dooms that same society to failure. We humans have invented money but our own invention has us chasing our own tails in a endless circle. We need to bring this endless chase to a stop if we ever hope to live like humans again. Untill then we will simply be chasing our own tales and living for money-not us. Women are no more at fault then the men are and restricting the rights of either one will never fix anything but it will create resentment and hate and everything else that comes along with it. It is very important to understand what the real problem is instead of chasing its symptoms.

Capitalism has done its damage and it comes as a very important part of the west culture. However, capitalism cannot be put down without a revolution and I for one do not think capitalism is the thing which we should put down nor we can put it down. Since we can't put down capitalism without having socialism we have to take other measures such as laws which will specifically spell out against such behavior. Already in Armenia the customs support these laws (e.g. women can't have sex before marriage) so laws will only be strengthening our sacred customs.