Iranian-Armenian relations

[Federate]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

It would be anti-Armenian if they helped in this project, which isolates Armenia more, and strengths Azerbaijan.

There's no reason to speculate Iran is going to join this project. The article brings forward absolutely nothing which states that this is a possibility, just claims without any official statement that Iran could join. The project is about trying to save Nakhichevan from extinction anyway which in my opinion is too far gone already. Lots of speculation that Nakhichevan's true population is under 150 000 (rather than the official 300 000+).

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Well the railway goes from Turkey to Nakhichevan and stops there (the plan for now) so any talk of Iran joining has no concrete foundation and all talk of it, especially that it's coming from Azerbaijan, can be seen as an attempt to sabotage Armenian-Iranian relations. Besides, Armenia and Iran are building their own railway.

When the rest of the world talks about improving international communications, they are usually talking about the internet. Meanwhile, in the Caucasus, is seems that they are still obsessed with the mid-19th century information super highways: train lines.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

When the rest of the world talks about improving international communications, they are usually talking about the internet. Meanwhile, in the Caucasus, is seems that they are still obsessed with the mid-19th century information super highways: train lines.

Once the railway is complete and azerbaijan's Trevithicks engine is up and running then we'll see whos living in the past my friend.

[Persopolis]

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...in the Caucasus, is seems that they are still obsessed with the mid-19th century information super highways: train lines.

Trains are a lot of fun -- Armenians want to be able to take trains so they can scubadive at Kish Island in the Persian Gulf and use its free trade zone status to become millionaires while using Iranian ports for exporting goods. A train line that let's Armenians and their goods travel to Kish is a lot better than looking at pictures of Kish on the internet: Do you know how many Armenian millionaires Iran has made over the centuries? A lot. Do you know how many prominent Armenians are of Iranian origin? A lot. Armenia is likely getting sick of being boxed in by genocidal maniacs on its west and east; I'm sure they appreciate the train link to the Persian Gulf.

Kish Island was ranked among the world's 10 most beautiful islands by The New York Times in 2010. Due to its free trade zone status it is touted as a consumer's paradise, with numerous malls, shopping centres, tourist attractions, and resort hotels. It has an estimated population of 20,000 residents and about 1 million people visit the island annually

...finally, with all the projects underway between iran armenian, pipelines, railways, how stupid is this azer author????

Exactly - Iran and Armenia have recently started hundreds of millions of dollars of projects together - the Iranian defense minister was in Armenia last week. Can you imagine scrapping all of that work in one week? The suggestion in the news story is just silly. Somewhere buried in all of these posts - I put several ideas for strengthening Iran/Armenia ties further -- alas, now they're needles in the haystack.

[retro]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

When the rest of the world talks about improving international communications, they are usually talking about the internet. Meanwhile, in the Caucasus, is seems that they are still obsessed with the mid-19th century information super highways: train lines.

Rightfully so as rail is still the cheapest and most energy efficient way to move freight. Their is talk of a intercontinental Pan-Eurasian Maglev. However it will have to wait until the global debt crisis is somehow resolved.

Stephenson's Rocket (1829).

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-armenia-sent-iran-arms-used-to-kill-us-t/

WikiLeaks: Armenia sent Iran arms used to kill U.S. troops
State expressed ‘deep concerns’

U.S. diplomats concluded in late 2008 that the government of Armenia had supplied Iran with rockets and machine guns later used to kill American troops in Iraq, according to State Department cables disclosed by WikiLeaks.

John D. Negroponte, deputy secretary of state at the time, wrote a December 2008 letter to Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan expressing “deep concerns about Armenia’s transfer of arms to Iran which resulted in the death and injury of U.S. soldiers in Iraq.”

The cable, based on U.S. intelligence, includes the text of a classified letter labeled “secret” from Mr. Negroponte. It says “in 2007 some of these weapons were recovered from two Shia militant attacks in which a U.S. soldier was killed and six others were injured in Iraq.”

The disclosure of the re-export of arms by Armenia is one example of how the leaked archive of U.S. diplomatic traffic totaling more than 250,000 reports reveals an extensive U.S. government effort to stop allies and adversaries alike from arming Iran with even conventional weapons.

In Tehran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday that the documents made public by WikiLeaks is part of a campaign by the CIA and the Israeli Mossad. While many cables showed heads of Arab states urging the United States to take military action against Iran, Mr. Ahmadinejad dismissed them as propaganda. “The countries in the region are like friends and brothers,” he said. “These acts of mischief will not affect their relations.”

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. answers questions about WikiLeaks at the Justice Department on Monday. He said the government had launched a criminal probe. (AP Photo)Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in Washington that the leaks will not affect U.S. relationships with allies. Yet she also said that the disclosures would endanger people in closed societies who had spoken with U.S. diplomats.

“There is nothing laudable about endangering innocent people, and there is nothing brave about sabotaging peaceful relations between nations on which our common security depends,” Mrs. Clinton said.

Mrs. Clinton said WikiLeaks acted illegally in posting the classified document and that the Obama administration is taking “aggressive steps to hold responsible those who stole this information.”

At the Justice Department, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said the government had launched a criminal probe, while Pentagon officials said security is being tightened to better control digital storage devices such as CDs and flash drives.

The Armenian incident was part of a wider U.S. effort to block Iran’s access to the global arms and weapons technology market. For example, a 2010 cable revealed covert U.S. efforts to persuade China's government to block a sale from a Malaysian firm, Electronics Component Ltd., to sell gyroscopes to an Iranian front company.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-to-kill-us-t/

WikiLeaks: Armenia sent Iran arms used to kill U.S. troops
State expressed ‘deep concerns’

U.S. diplomats concluded in late 2008 that the government of Armenia had supplied Iran with rockets and machine guns later used to kill American troops in Iraq, according to State Department cables disclosed by WikiLeaks.

John D. Negroponte, deputy secretary of state at the time, wrote a December 2008 letter to Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan expressing “deep concerns about Armenia’s transfer of arms to Iran which resulted in the death and injury of U.S. soldiers in Iraq.”

The cable, based on U.S. intelligence, includes the text of a classified letter labeled “secret” from Mr. Negroponte. It says “in 2007 some of these weapons were recovered from two Shia militant attacks in which a U.S. soldier was killed and six others were injured in Iraq.”

The disclosure of the re-export of arms by Armenia is one example of how the leaked archive of U.S. diplomatic traffic totaling more than 250,000 reports reveals an extensive U.S. government effort to stop allies and adversaries alike from arming Iran with even conventional weapons.

In Tehran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday that the documents made public by WikiLeaks is part of a campaign by the CIA and the Israeli Mossad. While many cables showed heads of Arab states urging the United States to take military action against Iran, Mr. Ahmadinejad dismissed them as propaganda. “The countries in the region are like friends and brothers,” he said. “These acts of mischief will not affect their relations.”

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. answers questions about WikiLeaks at the Justice Department on Monday. He said the government had launched a criminal probe. (AP Photo)Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in Washington that the leaks will not affect U.S. relationships with allies. Yet she also said that the disclosures would endanger people in closed societies who had spoken with U.S. diplomats.

“There is nothing laudable about endangering innocent people, and there is nothing brave about sabotaging peaceful relations between nations on which our common security depends,” Mrs. Clinton said.

Mrs. Clinton said WikiLeaks acted illegally in posting the classified document and that the Obama administration is taking “aggressive steps to hold responsible those who stole this information.”

At the Justice Department, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said the government had launched a criminal probe, while Pentagon officials said security is being tightened to better control digital storage devices such as CDs and flash drives.

The Armenian incident was part of a wider U.S. effort to block Iran’s access to the global arms and weapons technology market. For example, a 2010 cable revealed covert U.S. efforts to persuade China's government to block a sale from a Malaysian firm, Electronics Component Ltd., to sell gyroscopes to an Iranian front company.

This was a long time ago.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

When the rest of the world talks about improving international communications, they are usually talking about the internet. Meanwhile, in the Caucasus, is seems that they are still obsessed with the mid-19th century information super highways: train lines.

Where the f*ck did you read something about international "communication"? This is a huge and important infrastructure project, it doesn't mean they will transport "information". In the Dutch news there are a lot of articles about a new train line they are (want) to build between the Netherlands and Germany, this makes them mid-19th century xxxxs? Your ability to make something "negative" or to criticize something is amazing.

Some of your interesting other "criticising" posts about Armenians. What is your goal? By now we understand you hate Armenians. Do you get pleasure, as a Scott, to feel so "superior"?

-Don't let Armenians close enough to sting you - no matter how friendly they at first appear, they will, in the end, try to sting you - even if it means harming themselves more than it harms you.

-My advice to anyone (including Armenians!) wanting to associate with Armenians is to always remember the words of a French Armenian who (based on his 30 years experience of trying to work with Armenian organisations to promote Armenian issues) warned me saying "watch out, 90% of Armenians are absolute bastards". Even though that 90% figure is an exaggeration, it is still good advice, since few will disagree that the absolute bastards make the most noise in every field of Armenian life, including online.

-ArmeniaNow is the ONLY credible independant news source left in Armenia.

-Armenian history when written by Armenians is often not credible, every claim should be regarded with suspicion.

-Armenians shoot themselves in their feet so often I'm surprised they haven't evolved to walk on their hands instead.

-My advice to everyone: never trust anything an Armenian says about the Armenian Genocide, and only a fool stakes their reputation on evidence provided by Armenians.

-Though, if I were to extrapolate from my experience of dealing with Armenians, I'd say that if you are not getting death threats from idiots or extremists then you are doing it wrong.

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

This was a long time ago.

ya i know, but this is what michael rubin was referring to in his recent rant on "what's wrong with Armenia". just a relevat addition to the tread is all.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

ya i know, but this is what michael rubin was referring to in his recent rant on "what's wrong with Armenia". just a relevat addition to the tread is all.

Like US didn't supply arms to al-Qaeda and Saddam in the past.