Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mos]

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Interesting read:

Currently Iran is breaking the US-imposed isolation by building a sophisticated network of commercial, social, and political ties with as many states as possible worldwide. Iran’s only condition for the establishment of commercial, social and political ties with other countries is that they accept the Islamic system of governance in Iran and not threaten Islamic Iran’s interests. These include respect for its territorial sovereignty and integrity and no obstacles in Iran’s non-aggressive promotion of Islam as a solution to the global economic, social and political injustices that plague the world today. This is a formula upon which Islamic Iran constructs its relations with Armenia and other states. If the Baku regime were to consider the security dilemmas which it imposes on Islamic Iran by being a strategic vassal of the US in the region, Iran would have built close ties with Azerbaijan long ago. Taking into consideration the historic and cultural ties with Iran as well as adherence of most Azeris to the Shi‘i school of jurisprudence, Iran is a natural strategic partner for Azerbaijan. However, since the despotic regime in Baku prefers the comfort of power and wealth over state interests, Iran’s policies towards Azerbaijan are severely constrained.

There are no legitimate reasons why Iran should not have ties with Armenia. Such ties are economically driven and do not represent a threat to Azerbaijani statehood. Regardless of the level of trade between Iran and Armenia, it would be unwise to assume that once the current shaky ceasefire in Karabakh collapses, Iran would actively side with Armenia. This would create tensions within Iran and damage Iran’s Islamic credibility that took three painful decades to build. Iran would never side with Armenia at a strategic level because it would undermine its soft-power appeal, which is its main asset in building relations with other Muslim societies and countries.

However, at some point Iran will have to make some crucial strategic choices once the current regime in Baku collapses and/or the war reignites in Karabakh again. In order to make the right choices, Islamic Iran would need to possess a much stronger and much more active socio-political platform within Azerbaijan and Armenia. How Iran will accomplish this is yet to be seen.

[KanadaHye]

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I disagree. America is trying to infiltrate Iran through Azerbaijan, not Armenia. I'm not worried about Muslims taking over, I'm worried about some of the doctrine that Iran's religious leaders spew as they tend to be very pro-Islamic and against anything that isn't Islamic.

So Azerbaijanis are found trespassing with Bibles written in Persian?

[Mos]

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So Azerbaijanis are found trespassing with Bibles written in Persian?

No, there are listening posts on Azeri-Iran border. So Armenians carrying Bibles is a signal that they are being sent by America?

[KanadaHye]

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No, there are listening posts on Azeri-Iran border. So Armenians carrying Bibles is a signal that they are being sent by America?

<sigh> Nobody is found carrying Bibles. The reports in the west claim these people who are legitimately caught trespassing are just "hikers" or "good ole missionaries preaching to the ignorant Iranians". They are most likely spies but the media likes people to think the world is a happy place and governments are "good".

[Mos]

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<sigh> Nobody is found carrying Bibles. The reports in the west claim these people who are legitimately caught trespassing are just "hikers" or "good ole missionaries preaching to the ignorant Iranians". They are most likely spies but the media likes people to think the world is a happy place and governments are "good".

How many of these hikers were Armenian? And plus, how are you so sure that they are not innocent and were spying?

[KanadaHye]

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How many of these hikers were Armenian? And plus, how are you so sure that they are not innocent and were spying?

They weren't, they were American. That is why they were detained, held and interrogated.

[Eddo211]

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Religious leaders of Iran have said such things:

Listen Moses, the only reason the Mullahs of Iran are being successful is because of Iranian nationalists and who love their country irregardless of who is in charge. You think it was the Mullahs who won the Iran-Iraq war? or it was their efforts that made the Iranian Airforce into what it is today with almost no budget under heavy sanctions? No, it was the officers, some who were even trained in USA top gun schools during Shah’s time. You don’t know sh1t about true Iranians and I suggest you STFU and go read about who the Persians are.

I support Iran.

You really think anybody here would believe you? Saying it 100 times doesn't make it so kid.

[Mos]

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They weren't, they were American. That is why they were detained, held and interrogated.

What's their connection to Armenia? You were saying America is using Armenia to infiltrate Iran. You have any evidence for that?

Listen Moses, the only reason the Mullahs of Iran are being successful is because of Iranian nationalists and who love their country irregardless of who is in charge. You think it was the Mullahs who won the Iran-Iraq war? or it was their efforts that made the Iranian Airforce into what it is today with almost no budget under heavy sanctions? No, it was the officers, some who were even trained in USA top gun schools during Shah’s time. You don’t know sh1t about true Iranians and I suggest you STFU and go read about who the Persians are.

You really think anybody here would believe you? Saying it 100 times doesn't make it so kid.

First off, why you calling me Moses?

Second, the Mullahs do have considerable amount of influence in Iran, especially Ayatollah who is highest ranking official. I have nothing against Iranian people, but I do sometimes get concerned with some of the doctrine I hear from influential Mullahs or Ayatollah that stress the importance of spreading Islam and other religious messages.

I support any country that is friendly to Armenia. But I look at each country's relations with us, with open eyes.

[KanadaHye]

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What's their connection to Armenia? You were saying America is using Armenia to infiltrate Iran. You have any evidence for that?

People get on the plane in America, land in Armenia and trespass on the Iranian border. What conclusion would you draw from this?

[Persopolis]

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What would Iran's policy be if Azerbaijan was taken over by a religious revival with Shias becoming more prominent? Would they abandon Armenia and quickly ally with Azerbaijan? Relations between Iran and Armenia could be much closer, if it wasn't for the heavy theocracy of Iran that dominates the political life.

Iran's policy has nothing to do with the Aliyev regime developing stronger ties to Islam. "The Republic of Azerbaijan" is a Turkic-Khazar / Secular-Zionist state: like Attaturk's regime. These elites control some Armenians and Iranians within that territory, and are trying to Turkify them. The short answer is that the ruling elite of "The Republic of Azerbaijan" and the Ottoman-Turks have always wanted Armenians dead: The Persian empire fought many bloody wars against Turks - both prior to and after the advent of Islam in Iran. That's one of the reasons Julfa was evacuated and New Julfa was built in Iran.

Regardless of the type of government Iran has, Shah / Islamic-Democracy / Democracy: If Iran took over BaKu, Armenia's land's would look like this:



Remember: Armenia was within the Persian Empire from the time of Cyrus the Great, Xerxes, and Darius the Great - centuries before Armenians were Christians or had a written language:

In 522-486 B.C., Darius the King says: "These are the countries which came to me; by the favor of Ahuramazda I was king of them: Persia, Elam, Babylonia, Assyria, Arabia, Egypt, (those) who are beside the sea, Sardis, Ionia, Media, Armenia, Cappadocia, Parthia, Drangiana, Aria, Chorasmia, Bactria, Sogdiana, Gandara, Scythia, Sattagydia, Arachosia, Maka: in all, 23 provinces."

Learn about the Biston Inscriptions and the Inscriptions at Persopolis: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/d...ion_biston.php

As I reminded someone else on this forum: The Armenian Genocide and the theft of Armenian land occurred immediately after Armenia stopped being a part of the Persian Empire (about 150 years ago); Prior to that, Armenia was a prosperous and independent kingdom within a the larger Persian kingdom for thousands of years. (Something like what Belgium is to France.)

[I'm not suggesting that we rebuild the Persian Empire, but the truth is that during the period that Armenia flourished, it was a constituent Kingdom with the Persian Empire. I'm sure any proud nationalist, hates to hear the word "Empire," but the truth is that those were largely positive times for Armenia.] In the 18th Century, after Russia (and later Stalin) took the North of Persia, things went seriously down-hill for Armenia: The Ottoman-Turks caused the Armenian Genocide; The Khazars crept in from the North and started to Turkify; and Stalin drew the new borders. Anyone who has not read how this happened, needs to have a look: http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/AZPartIIb.html



What was BaKu? In the ancient days it was where the governors of Persia came to meet with the governors of Armenia (something like Washington D.C.)