Iranian-Armenian relations

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Why it was written? Because Turks like picking dirt about us, that's why.

They never dictated the life of the majority, don't be ridiculous. And how did they infiltrate Russia? What Did Armenians also infiltrate when they migrated to other countries like Russia? The reason the J3wish population of Armenia shrunk during independence was because of the bad economic and social condition of the country at that time. There was a big exodus of J3ws from post-Soviet areas to Israel during the 90s. That being said, what are you really trying to prove with the story of this family regarding Israel possibly attacking Armenia?

That wasn't a Turk being interviewed in the story. Let me point out some Anti-Armenian points of view.

"Unlike Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Dagestan and Chechnya, Armenia and Nagorny Karabakh never had significant J3wish populations.

The J3ws of Armenia were made up mainly of Ashkenazis from Eastern Europe whose immigration begins with Russian unification in 1828-1829 and lasts until the collapse of the Soviet Union."

Nope, doesn't look like their intend on continuing the Khazar invasions that led to Armenia's loss of independence in the first place.

"Moving to Karabakh was like a chance to start again, they treated us with respect there." In the 1970s and 1980s, the Groismans lived a relatively open xxxish life. They received regular packages from the Star of David association in Baku and raised their only daughter, Svetlana, to be proud of her heritage.

Right.... They conveniently use the "Muslim" card against our friendly neighbours in Iran and Palestinians (who were friendly to Armenian interests prior to the formation of the state of Israel) to justify hostile actions while Azerbaijan which is 99.999999% Muslim is a great friend to the J3wish faith. Please, this anti-Armenian B.S. makes me sick and it's so transparent that I can't see how you could possibly take a "pragmatic" view.

Svetlana Groisman comments, "What bothers me is the lack of attention we get as one of the only J3wish families in Karabakh. I want the right to lead a J3wish life here at the very least."

Oh, I'm sorry..... should there be a red carpet welcome your majesty?

[Mos]

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That wasn't a Turk being interviewed in the story. Let me point out some Anti-Armenian points of view.



Nope, doesn't look like their intend on continuing the Khazar invasions that led to Armenia's loss of independence in the first place.



Right.... They conveniently use the "Muslim" card against our friendly neighbours in Iran and Palestinians (who were friendly to Armenian interests prior to the formation of the state of Israel) to justify hostile actions while Azerbaijan which is 99.999999% Muslim is a great friend to the J3wish faith. Please, this anti-Armenian B.S. makes me sick and it's so transparent that I can't see how you could possibly take a "pragmatic" view.



Oh, I'm sorry..... should there be a red carpet welcome your majesty?

What is wrong with being good with the J3wish minority? Any minority, let it be j3wish, kurds, whatever deserves fair treatment. Even in Iran the J3wish minority enjoys rights and they have many synagogues in the Tehran. Israel is another subject, and let me warn you to not keep blurring everyday j3ws with Israel's policy. Turks are anti-Armenian, not everyday j3ws.

[Eddo211]

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I agree. Our relations with Israel are non-existent but lean towards belligerent but with many J E W S personally, our relations are normal and quite good. As a state, they will pursue their own interests just like US, Iran, etc and after what J E W S have been through historically, they most likely will care about their own interests full stop. Just like we have some cultural divides, so do J E W S. We cannot cover everyone with one blanket. Many of our greatest proponents are J E W S.

When I compare both Iran and Israel, I am more favored to Iran obviously because they are friendly to Armenia and Israel is certainly not. For me, this is the most important factor. I also do not agree with the things Israel has done vis a vis the Palestinians but sometimes our anger at Israel tends to spill over into hatred for J E W S in general. This should not be so. Additionally, Israel is starting to come around ( though is could be short lived and would rather this not disrupt our relations with Iran) regarding the Turks. I applaud Israeli moves in Greece and Cyprus; at the very least it works to counteract the Turks and adds to their list of problems and makes relations between Israel and Turkey continually and increasingly tense.

My hope is that our relations with Israel become magnanimous and our relations with Iran remain strong.

Yes, as some of you know I have mentioned many times before that what the Israeli state and the xxxish organizations are doing should not be held against all xxxs who few are very much in support of Armenians and have a moral compass. The word xxx should not be banned in this forum since that by itself shows discrimination against all xxxs regardless of what involvement we may think they had in the Ottoman Empire against Armenians.

I never forget what my old xxxish neighbor who told me long ago (which at the time I thought she was crazy, but what a super nice lady). She said that Hitler himself was a xxx and we killed our own people to scare them into moving to Israel and make them believe that there was no safe place for xxxs other than Israel (since at the time of the new Israeli state nobody wanted to move there from Europe where they were thriving).
I am starting to think she might had some truth into what she thought.

Joseph, as long as the Turkish ambassador still remains in Israel and major Israeli defence contractors still operate out of Turkey, and just lately Turkey forces an Iranian cargo plane to land and inspect for nuclear materials by the request of their Israel friends (this inspection could have been scheduled prior to departure since flight plans are filed for approval to use foreign airspace) I have a hard time believing their worsening relations not to be anything but a smoke screen.

[KanadaHye]

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What is wrong with being good with the J3wish minority? Any minority, let it be j3wish, kurds, whatever deserves fair treatment. Even in Iran the J3wish minority enjoys rights and they have many synagogues in the Tehran. Israel is another subject, and let me warn you to not keep blurring everyday j3ws with Israel's policy. Turks are anti-Armenian, not everyday j3ws.

Turks aren't anti-Armenian. Most Turks really do believe what their government has told them about their history. They are nationalistic like many military minded Americans.... no matter how much their government screws its citizens over, they'll still support it. They are just dumb.

And....
You can't blur Zionists with everyday J3ws because everyday J3ws mind their own business and don't go around trying to destroy nations and steal resources/land with their liberal institutions and racist policies.

[Persopolis]

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Ok first let me start by saying that Monte wasn't trained in Iran, he participated in the revolution. If you are searching for a place for his training look at Beirut and California where he started from. * * * You can call Russia and Russian people a lot of names and tell how unfair they are and how they are arming our enemies.

Karo, I mean this respectfully:

A couple of things: (1) I was in Iran when Monte was there (he wasn't there on vacation - he was part of an armed resistance group to overthrow the Shah - at nights he taught English to the People's militia); (2) When Monte went to Beirut it was to fight with an Iranian proxy group (he fought in the '82 Lebanon War against the Israelis); (3) Monte was NOT trained in California - he attended the University of California at Berkeley there - he was a simple college student (his parents lived about 20 minutes North of there). Let's recap: Iran & Beirut = Iranian training. Berkeley = college student (Asian Studies/Archeology major).

Next: Where did you see me "call Russia and Russian people a lot of names"? Can you put a quote? I want to make sure you aren't imagining this. (Iran & Russia have good relations.)


Monte (on the right) in Lebanon with Iranian Militia

[Persopolis]

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I never forget what my old xxxish neighbor who told me long ago (which at the time I thought she was crazy, but what a super nice lady). She said that Hitler himself was a xxx and we killed our own people to scare them into moving to Israel and make them believe that there was no safe place for xxxs other than Israel (since at the time of the new Israeli state nobody wanted to move there from Europe where they were thriving).
I am starting to think she might had some truth into what she thought.

[KanadaHye]

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Interesting article written in America in 1919 about 6 million J3ws whose lives were in danger in Soviet Russia... (back when it was OK to use the word J3w) and people STILL BELIEVE ZIONIST B.S.

October 31, 1919 edition of The American Hebrew

The Crucifixion of J3ws Must Stop!

By Martin H. Glynn (Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)

October 31, 1919 Pages 582 & 601

The Crucifixion of J3ws Must Stop!

By Martin H. Glynn (Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)

From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread.

These children, these men and women are our fellow-members of the human family, with the same claim on life as we, the same susceptibility to the winter's cold, the same propensity to death before the fangs of hunger. Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. We may not be their keepers but we ought to be their helpers.

In the face of death, in the throes of starvation there is no place for mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical differentiations of race. In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.

Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for J3wish blood.

In this threatened holocaust of human life, forgotten are the niceties of philosophical distinction, forgotten are the differences of historical interpretation; and the determination to help the helpless, to shelter the homeless, to clothe the naked and to feed the hungry becomes a religion at whose altar men of every race can worship and women of every creed can kneel.

In this calamity the temporalities of man's fashionings fall away before the eternal verities of life, and we awaken to the fact that from the hands of one God we all come and before the tribunal of one God we all must stand on the day of final reckoning. And when that reckoning comes mere profession of lips will not weigh a pennyweight; but deeds, mere intangible deeds, deeds that dry the tear of sorrow and allay the pain of anguish, deeds that with the spirit of the Good Samaritan pour oil and wine in wounds and find sustenance and shelter for the suffering and the stricken, will outweigh all the stars in the heavens, all the waters in the seas, all the rocks and metals in all the celestian globes that revolve in the firmament around us.

Race is a matter of accident; creed, partly a matter of inheritance, partly a matter of environment, partly one's method of ratiocination; but our physical wants and corporeal needs are implanted in all of us by the hand of God, and the man or woman who can, and will not, hear the cry of the starving; who can, and will not, take heed of the wail of the dying; who can, and will not, stretch forth a helping hand to those who sink beneath the waves of adversity is an assassin of nature's finest instincts, a traitor to the cause of the human family and an abjurer of the natural law written upon the tablets of every human heart by the finger of God himself.

And so in the spirit that turned the poor widow's votive offering of copper into silver, and the silver into gold when placed upon God's altar, the people of this country are called upon to sanctify their money by giving $35,000,000 in the name of the humanity of Moses to six million famished men and women.

Six million men and women are dying -- eight hundred thousand little children are crying for bread.

And why?

Because of a war to lay Autocracy in the dust and give Democracy the sceptre of the Just.

And in that war for democracy 200,000 J3wish lads from the United States fought beneath the Stars and Stripes. In the 77th Division alone there were 14,000 of them, and in Argonne Forest this division captured 54 German guns. This shows that at Argonne the J3wish boys from the United States fought for democracy as Joshua fought against the Amalekites on the plains of Abraham. In an address on the so-called "Lost Battalion," led by Colonel Whittlesey of Pittsfield, Major-General Alexander shows the fighting stuff these J3wish boys were made of. In some way or another Whittlesey's command was surrounded. They were short of rations. They tried to get word back to the rear telling of their plight. They tried and they tried, but their men never got through. Paralysis and stupefaction and despair were in the air. And when the hour was darkest and all seemed lost, a soldier lad stepped forward, and said to Col. Whittlesey: "I will try to get through." He tried, he was wounded, he had to creep and crawl, but he got through. To-day he wears the Distinguished Service Cross and his name is
ABRAHAM KROTOSHINSKY.

Because of this war for Democracy six million J3wish men and women are starving across the seas; eight hundred thousand J3wish babies are crying for bread.

(Continued from page 582)

In the name of Abraham Krotoshinsky who saved the "Lost Battalion," in the name of the one hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred and ninety-nine other J3wish boys who fought for Democracy beneath the Stars and Stripes won't you give copper, or silver, or gold, to keep life in the heart of these men and these women; to keep blood in the bodies of these babies?

The J3w Has Helped Everybody But The J3w

In the world war the J3w has helped everybody but the J3w. "Over there" he helped in camp, in council and in conflict. "Over here" he helped the Red Cross, the Y.M.C.A., the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, the Salvation Army and everybody else. So now is the time for everybody to help the J3w, and God knows now is the time he needs it.

From out of the gloom of this war every other race, save one or two, has snatched a ray of sunshine. But amid the encircling gloom there is no light for the J3w "to lead thou me on." The war is over for everyone, but the J3w. The knife is still at his throat and an unreasoning and unreasonable century-old lust for J3wish blood opens his veins. The J3w in Roumania, Poland and Ukrainia is being made the scapegoat of the war. Since the armistice has been signed thousands of J3ws in Ukrainia has been offered up as living sacrifices to diabolical greed and fanatical passion -- their throats cut, their bodies rended limb from limb by assassin bands and rabid soldiery. In the city of Proskunoff one day a few weeks ago the dawn saw the door of every house wherein lived a J3w marked as a shambles for slaughter.

For four days, from sunrise to sunset, fanatics plied the dagger like demons from hell, stopping only to teat with hands adrip with the blood of J3wish victims. They killed the men; they were less merciful to women. These they violated, and then they killed. From a purpose to a fury, from a fury to a habit ran this killing of the J3ws, until within four days the streets of Proskunoff ran red with blood like gutters of a slaughter house, until its homes became a morgue for thousands of slaughtered human beings whose gaping wounds cried out for vengeance and whose eyes had turned to stone at the horrors they had seen. As Hon. Simon W. Rosendale, aptly paraphrasing Bobby Burns' thought, in his speech not long ago, said it is the age-old story of "man's inhumanity to man that makes countless thousands mourn." For as it has been at Proskunoff, so has it been in a hundred other places. The bloody tale hath repetition ad nauseum. It is the same tear-stained story -- the same old stain upon the escutcheon of humanity. Verily, Byron was right when he wrote:

Tribes of the wandering feet and weary breast Whither shall ye flee to be at rest? The wild dove hath her nest, the fox his cave, Mankind their countries, Israel but the grave.

But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of J3ws must stop. We repeat the war is over for everybody, but the J3w. Like Isaac the knife is at his throat, but unlike Isaac no power seems able to stop the steel from thirsting for his blood. But some power the world must raise up to prevent this decimation of a deserving race. For the peace of the world a League of Nations let us have by all means; but for the Humanity of the World, to give justice to the J3w and other oppressed peoples on earth, let us have a Truce of God! -- Albany Times Union.

Source: http://balder.org/judea/American-Heb...ix-Million.php

[Persopolis]

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Aliyev is linked to the worst J*wish Mafia Groups (Lev Leviev / Chabad / and Peres): Watch all 3 videos. The Turkish article with the J*wish guy complaining that he doesn't have access to these groups in Karabakh seems like an excuse to let in Aliyev's partners. (Svetlana Groisman comments, "What bothers me is the lack of attention we get as one of the only J3wish families in Karabakh. I want the right to lead a J3wish life here at the very least. ... They received regular packages from the Star of David association in Baku."). I hope this doesn't seem anti-J*wish -- because I know there are a lot regular people who are J*ws and good people -- but I've always strongly suspected that the ruling elite of Azerbaijan are Khazar-J*ws & Zionists (compare them to Attaturk).

[haysip]

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check out this video guys(sorry Persopolis its in Armenian)...but he mainly explains that azerbaijan was created just so just in case israel was failed to be created, they could make azerfakejan as their main homeland. it has 5 parts so check out all of it

[Mos]

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Aliyev is linked to the worst J*wish Mafia Groups (Lev Leviev / Chabad / and Peres): Watch all 3 videos. The Turkish article with the J*wish guy complaining that he doesn't have access to these groups in Karabakh seems like an excuse to let in Aliyev's partners. (Svetlana Groisman comments, "What bothers me is the lack of attention we get as one of the only J3wish families in Karabakh. I want the right to lead a J3wish life here at the very least. ... They received regular packages from the Star of David association in Baku."). I hope this doesn't seem anti-J*wish -- because I know there are a lot regular people who are J*ws and good people -- but I've always strongly suspected that the ruling elite of Azerbaijan are Khazar-J*ws & Zionists (compare them to Attaturk).

You have to have proof to say that Aliyev is a J3w or Zionist, you can't just make statements like that. Just because Azerbaijan has good relations with Israel doesn't mean that Azerbaijan ruling family is Zionist. And yes there is also J3wish community in Azerbaijan, like there is in almost every country including Armenia. Of course the ruling elite will try to have good relations with that community.

So does this make Serzh a Zionist?

EREVAN -- Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian has called for deepening Armenia's relationship with Israel in a meeting with an Israeli official, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.

Sarkisian's press office said he told Micha Lindenstrauss, Israel's state comptroller and ombudsman, in Yerevan on July 13 about the importance of "the development of multifaceted relations with Israel in all spheres of mutual interest."

Lindenstrauss was in Armenia less than a month after he and Armenian human rights ombudsman Armen Harutiunian attended a Madrid session of the Mediterranean Association of Ombudsmen. Lindenstrauss's main duty is to monitor the legality and efficiency of decisions taken by Israeli public institutions.

At the Madrid conference, Harutiunian opposed a Turkish official's proposal to condemn Israel's blockade of Gaza and commented on the recent Turkish-backed attempt to break it. He argued, among other things, that Turkey itself maintains an economic blockade of Armenia, which was imposed in 1993 out of solidarity with Azerbaijan over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

It is uncommon for high-ranking Israelis to visit Armenia. Armenian leaders also rarely visit Israel.

Armenian Prime Minister Tigran Sarkisian was scheduled to make an unofficial visit to Jerusalem with Catholicos Garegin II, the head of the Armenian Apostolic Church, in mid-February. But the trip was canceled at the last minute when Sarkisian fell ill.

Prime Minister Sarkisian subsequently told the Israeli ambassador to Armenia, Shemi Tzur, that Yerevan is interested in "broadening and deepening" Armenian-Israeli ties.

Although Armenia and Israel have diplomatic relations, neither maintains an embassy in the other country. The Israeli ambassador to Armenia is based in Tbilisi, while Armenia's interests in Israel are represented by its ambassador to France.

Successive Armenian and Israeli governments have trod carefully in developing bilateral relations. Armenia has traditionally had warm relations with Arab states and neighboring Iran, while Israel has until recently had close political and military ties with Armenia's archrival, Turkey.

Analysts say the worsening of Turkish-Israeli relations could change Yerevan's and Tel Aviv's geopolitical priorities. In particular, xxxish lobby groups in the United States are expected to stop helping Ankara defeat draft resolutions in the U.S. Congress recognizing the World War I-era mass killings of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey as genocide.

Israel's parliament is expected to debate a similar resolution soon.