Iranian-Armenian relations

[Federate]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Can we stop already spreading Zionist propaganda by calling the J3wish genocide (or was it massacres now? Hmmm i'm not too sure anymore, better check that one with the gov't of Israel) THE Holocaust? It is not THE Holocaust, that is disrespectful to all the people who have been slaughtered such as... well, us. Who the hell are they to get their own special word and monopolise the word holocaust? At the most, it is a J3wish holocaust just like it is an Armenian holocaust and a Rwandan holocaust and so on.

Rather pathetic how we're all programmed this way... we're at a point where we don't even critically think about the words we spew out of our mouths. It is kinda like the word "Anti-semitism". WTF? Anti-judaism or anti-Israeli, end of story. Nobody deserves some special word. Besides, Arabs are a Semitic people who speak a Semitic language as well and last I checked, they outnumber J3ws by a couple of hundred million people.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

seriously what's with blocking the word "j3w" here?

If you write that word, it gets replaced with XXX - the international symbol for porn!

[Federate]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

If you write that word, it gets replaced with XXX - the international symbol for porn!

Don't J3ws have a major stake in the pr0n industry? I think the real reason is because we had some J3w haters a la Stormfront here a long time ago or something.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

It is kinda like the word "Anti-semitism". WTF? Anti-judaism or anti-Israeli, end of story. Nobody deserves some special word.

Federate, I totally agree with you 100%. First, I don't think MOST of the people called "anti-semites" are complaining about Zionists BECAUSE Zionists are semites. Second, I don't think they are objecting to Zionists because they eat motzah ball soup or celebrate Hannukhah (it doesn't have any thing to do with showing respect to their religious practices). Unfortunately, the word "Anti-Semite" is most frequently used to silence questions, debate, criticism, or to chill conversations about injustices being done by people who also happen to be J*ws/Zionists. "Anti-Semite" is one of the most Anti-Free-Speech words invented.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

There is no denying that there are xxxs who are not zionists, who are great human beings, who really do want the armenian genocide to be recognized but those individuals are few in comparison and they wield no power. A nation is judged by its actions and the actions of Isreal have been 100% antiarmenian from helping Turkey in the US legislature to selling advanced weapons to Azeris, they even built a barracade wall right through the Armenian quarter in jerusalem against the wishes of the Armenians. It is not like we want the xxxs to do anything for us nor do we really need their support but they are not neutral bystanders - they are actively involved in undermining Armenia and armenians. The few conciencioous xxxs who have the brains to see right from wrong and care enough to say or do somethin are exactly that - FEW. If you want to see how friendly the xxxs are to armenians then just look at the armenian population in jerusalem, it has almost completely vanished because of the intolorance of Isreal and this happened in a very short time whereas armenians have lived and thrived in iran for a millenium. Mos you are not looking at this situation for what it realy is. Just loo at government policies of Iran and Isreal twords Armenia and the armenians and all is clear. Making excuses is bs because plenty of countries have recognized the armenian genocide and after some sissyass pouting by turkey their good relations resumed thus Isreal has nothing to loose by recognizing the suffering of our people but they choose not to and they force other nations not to also. Iran may not have officialy recognized the genocide but never puts obsticals in our way, instead it builds roads and establishes airline flights to yerevan. My point is Isreal has options it does not have to help the Turk in denying the genocide yet it does. Perhaps as some have suggested it to has a dirty secret or two it does not want to be revieled. The humanity of a nation and its people is important to consider when choosing your friends. Iran has many ethnic groups in it who live togather peacfully whereas just look at what Isreal has done to the palastinians. If that is not enough for u Mos as u dismiss any notions of brotherhood then perhaps the genocidal commonalities between Turkey and Isreal might convince you of the vialness that is Isreal. Both Turkey and Isreal commited genicide and ethnic cleansing based on race and religion, both are notorious for flat out lies and distortions, both attack their neighborhs on a regular bases, the only tolorance in these countries is for fellow turcks and xxxs and no one else. Look at the facts then decide who is on whose side and who would make a better friend for our nation.

First off Israel never committed a genocide. It has done ethnic cleansing and done some bad things, but never it culminated in it being genocide. I know the policies of Israel, I don't deny them. However, just because our strategic interests collide does not mean we should become mortal enemies with them, like we are with Turks and Azeris. There is a difference in that. Just look at how rapidly the Israel-Turkey relations have changed, now anti-Israeli propaganda is rampant in Turkey and Israeli groups are helping Armenian groups pass a Armenian genocide criminalisation act in Holland. Strategic relations can change overnight - that's politics for you.

Second, Iran is our friend, I never denied that, however I hate it when people begin to escalate that into a special "brotherhood" which is not accurate in describing Armenian-Iranian relations. Iran too like Israel maintains strong relations with Turkey, especially in the economic sphere, and thus Iran doesn't want to ruin its relations with Turkey by having such a resolution. We should continue our economic friendship with Iran, but let's not turn this relationship into something it's not, and honestly some people here are frantically trying to do that.

Many Armenians have left Iran since the revolution are you going to blame Persians for that? It's the situation of the country.

Last, I hate when people make the automatic connection of Israelis = J3ws of the world. That is just not true. Yes there are those neo-cons/right-wing Israelis that are nasty, but don't mix them with the many fine J3ws there are in the world that don't get involved in such politics, or the ones that are rather friendly towards Armenians.

Can we stop already spreading Zionist propaganda by calling the J3wish genocide (or was it massacres now? Hmmm i'm not too sure anymore, better check that one with the gov't of Israel) THE Holocaust? It is not THE Holocaust, that is disrespectful to all the people who have been slaughtered such as... well, us. Who the hell are they to get their own special word and monopolise the word holocaust? At the most, it is a J3wish holocaust just like it is an Armenian holocaust and a Rwandan holocaust and so on.

Rather pathetic how we're all programmed this way... we're at a point where we don't even critically think about the words we spew out of our mouths. It is kinda like the word "Anti-semitism". WTF? Anti-judaism or anti-Israeli, end of story. Nobody deserves some special word. Besides, Arabs are a Semitic people who speak a Semitic language as well and last I checked, they outnumber J3ws by a couple of hundred million people.

That's just how the word has evolved I guess. Though I've heard Holocaust be used in other contexts, connotation is usually with the J3wish Genocide.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

It wasn't Iran that rushed to protect our borders from an invasion in 93 and it isn't Iranian soldiers protecting our borders today.

Make no mistake about it -- there is a lot of help Iran is giving to Armenia behind the curtain. Iran has also made it clear to Azerbaijan that it must not attack Armenia (that is, Azerbaijan knows that if it tries to demolish Armenia, Iran will step in).

In 1979 Iran began replacing all of its military commanders and armed forces.

In 1980 Iran and Iraq fought a war sponsored by the U.S. that lasted 10 years.

In '93 Armenia was returning from the post-USSR experience, and defense of Armenia at that time may still have been in Russia's direct sphere of influence, and direct Iranian participation didn't take place likely do to the process of replacing Iran's military, the 10 year war with Iraq, and the uncertainty from the post-USSR experience.

Nevertheless, I know for a fact that many Armenian soldiers indirectly trained in Iran (e.g. Monte Melkonian). It's an interesting area of inquiry, any way. One I'd like to learn more about myself.

(Regarding recognition of the Armenian Genocide -- Please read my earlier posts. AG Memorials are all over Iran, and that doesn't happen without official government approval. The AG is frequently discussed and acknowledged within Iran.)

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Federate, I totally agree with you 100%. First, I don't think MOST of the people called "anti-semites" are complaining about Zionists BECAUSE Zionists are semites. Second, I don't think they are objecting to Zionists because they eat motzah ball soup or celebrate Hannukhah (it doesn't have any thing to do with showing respect to their religious practices). Unfortunately, the word "Anti-Semite" is most frequently used to silence questions, debate, criticism, or to chill conversations about injustices being done by people who also happen to be J*ws/Zionists. "Anti-Semite" is one of the most Anti-Free-Speech words invented.

People often confuse anti-Israel with anti-Semitic which is wrong. But denying Holocaust happened or saying that J3ws are inherently greedy and so on, is anti-Semitic.

[Federate]

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That's just how the word has evolved I guess. Though I've heard Holocaust be used in other contexts, connotation is usually with the J3wish Genocide.

Evolved? Are you sure it's correct to use the word 'evolve' with the disrespect of all the other genocides that took place? It's not evolution, it's J3wish influence in politics, big business etc. to monopolise the word to downplay all the other genocides. Call it a clever marketing plan. It is the Holocaust industry.

[Federate]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

People often confuse anti-Israel with anti-Semitic which is wrong. But denying Holocaust happened or saying that J3ws are inherently greedy and so on, is anti-Semitic.

Why do you repeat words that have mistakes in them? Because everyone else does it?

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Why do you repeat words that have mistakes in them? Because everyone else does it?

Because that's what is universally known and used. Not saying it's the most accurate way, but that's just how it is. Even in the dictionary, one of the definitions of the Holocaust is regarding the J3wish gencoide.