Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Don't be a hypocrite, we both know small nations need the help of other bigger nations to survive, after all without the ruskies you would have been wiped off by now.

Also, if you have any scientific claims that Yezidis are not Kurds, please enlighten me! there are only 40,000 yezidis in Armenia, however there are 500,000 in Southern Kurdistan and just becuase a couple yezidis are being brain washed it does not mean anything.

Like I said, Yezidi sacred books are written in Kurdish.

P.S: We're no 'puppet' of the US, we do however have mutual interest, for example the US told Kurdish leaders not to take the Iraqi presidency however becuase it's in our interest to take the post we still did.

What do you have to offer Armenia? As I see it, hostility towards two of our main allies as starters and claims on Armenian land. We don't need more Western puppets in the region we already have more than enough. You would be a puppet, American support doesn't come without a price. Azerbaijan is also a small country compared to some countries so following your logic we should support them?

You made the claim you should prove it. It's like if I said that pigs could fly I should be the one that should prove it and it wouldn't be up too you t disprove it.

[Federate]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The Yezidis self-identify themselves as such and actively ask the Armenian people to not think of them as Kurds. Read this http://www.armenianow.com/news/21560...entity_dispute

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The Yezidis self-identify themselves as such and actively ask the Armenian people to not think of them as Kurds. Read this http://www.armenianow.com/news/21560...entity_dispute

Like I told you there are 500,000–700,000 world wide and only 40,000 in Armenia, the yezidis are a very religion orientated people, however their Emir and Prince has declared his stance on the issue and has reaffirmed his kurdishness.

Dohuk, Nov. 9 (AKnews) – Yezidi Emir, Tahsin Saeid Bek has said that there will be no compromise on the Kurdish origins of the religious minority and has praised the Kurdistan Regional Government for officially recognizing Yezidi religious holidays. (http://www.aknews.com/en/aknews/1/194338/).

We are aware of the Armenian governments plan for the Yezidis in their country, and Yezidis has asked the Kurdish government for help in terms of financial assistance, as according to the Kurds that are in Armenia that is not provided by your government to them! kind of a slap in the face for all the churches our government founded for Christians in Kurdistan.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

What do you have to offer Armenia? As I see it, hostility towards two of our main allies as starters and claims on Armenian land. We don't need more Western puppets in the region we already have more than enough. You would be a puppet, American support doesn't come without a price. Azerbaijan is also a small country compared to some countries so following your logic we should support them?

You made the claim you should prove it. It's like if I said that pigs could fly I should be the one that should prove it and it wouldn't be up too you t disprove it.

Wouldn't a puppet agree to anything their master says?

Talabani to Obama: Drop Dead

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, one of America's closest allies in the country, has rebuffed the personal request of President Obama and Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to relinquish his post as Iraqis form a new government in Baghdad.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2010/11/govt1764.htm

The yanks need our political assistance in the central government to counter the Shia Arab radicals, so it's a mutual interest.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Wouldn't a puppet agree to anything their master says?

Talabani to Obama: Drop Dead

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, one of America's closest allies in the country, has rebuffed the personal request of President Obama and Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to relinquish his post as Iraqis form a new government in Baghdad.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2010/11/govt1764.htm

The yanks need our political assistance in the central government to counter the Shia Arab radicals, so it's a mutual interest.

The moment you are independent they don't "need" you anymore and you will need them for weapons and money because you'll have more than enough enemies. However you will be representing Western interests in the region that will be against the interests of Armenia and its allies. I don't see why Armenia or any Armenian would support the destabilization of the whole region and screw over its allies?

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The moment you are independent they don't "need" you anymore and you will need them for weapons and money because you'll have more than enough enemies. However you will be representing Western interests in the region that will be against the interests of Armenia and its allies. I don't see why Armenia or any Armenian would support the destabilization of the whole region and screw over its allies?

Armenian support is insignificant, we don't need it... what I'm saying is that people wrongly look at kurds and say they only have western interests in mind where as in reality we have our interests in mind, for example one of the biggest oil companies to invest in Kurdistan is actually Chinese!

China’s Sinopec has agreed to a $7.2 billion takeover of Switzerland-based oil company Addax, which has interests in Africa and the oil frontier of Iraqi Kurdistan.

Sinopec, one of China’s biggest oil companies, is buying Addax in a deal that would be the country’s largest ever outbound investment in the oil and gas sector.

http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/china-eye/2009_06_29/addax_switzerland_takeover_to_take_sinopec_china_into_iraqi_kurdistan.html

If the US needs us, we also need them and therefore it's mutual interests and we don't say yes to whatever the US sais.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I suggest you read: Destination Iraqi Kurdistan: Manoyan Talks about ARF Suleimanieh Trip

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2010/06/17/destination-iraqi-kurdistan-manoyan-talks-about-arf-suleimanieh-trip/

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Armenian support is insignificant, we don't need it... what I'm saying is that people wrongly look at kurds and say they only have western interests in mind where as in reality we have our interests in mind, for example one of the biggest oil companies to invest in Kurdistan is actually Chinese!

China’s Sinopec has agreed to a $7.2 billion takeover of Switzerland-based oil company Addax, which has interests in Africa and the oil frontier of Iraqi Kurdistan.

Sinopec, one of China’s biggest oil companies, is buying Addax in a deal that would be the country’s largest ever outbound investment in the oil and gas sector.

http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/china-eye/2009_06_29/addax_switzerland_takeover_to_take_sinopec_china_into_iraqi_kurdistan.html

If the US needs us, we also need them and therefore it's mutual interests and we don't say yes to whatever the US sais.

I don't care if you believe you'll be a tool for Western interest or not or what you think about Yezidis. The major point is that IF Kurdistan becomes independent it will bring instability and more hostility in the region and will be hostile towards two of our major allies.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I don't care if you believe you'll be a tool for Western interest or not or what you think about Yezidis. The major point is that IF Kurdistan becomes independent it will bring instability and more hostility in the region and will be hostile towards two of our major allies.

Your making a statement followed by no reasons, I therefore do not accept it, and I have provided evidence for yezidis and you have not, the only reason Iran supports you is to counter Azerbaijan, and the ruski consulate in Erbil already stated that Russia will recognise an independent Kurdistan not that we are in a rush to declare independence.

We could also promote nationalism between Chaldeans and Assyrians but instead we open cultural and historical centers for them, let them teach their language in schools and provide financial assistance to build new churches.

[Armanen]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

As long as an independent kurdistan does not include Western Armenia, then it is not a major geopolitical issue for Armenia. Plus, Iran would handle itself just fine in a one on one stand off with the kurds. The Iranian military is in the top 3 of Middle eastern militaries, the kurds in N. Iraq have a long way to counter the Iranians militarily or even on the diplomatic front.