Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[bell-the-cat]

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Dohuk, Nov. 9 (AKnews) – Yezidi Emir, Tahsin Saeid Bek has said that there will be no compromise on the Kurdish origins of the religious minority and has praised the Kurdistan Regional Government for officially recognizing Yezidi religious holidays. (http://www.aknews.com/en/aknews/1/194338/).

I think you answered that yourself:

Wouldn't a puppet agree to anything their master says?

Though, to be living amongst Kurds is a situation I wouldn't wish on any minority population.

[Mos]

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Given that Turks eagerly participated in the Armenian Genocide and betrayed their Armenian neighbours, I don't see how they can be trusted. Just because we have a common enemy doesn't mean that they can't come back and bite us. Of course they will want to be "friends" with us when they want to achieve their own goal, but in the end I don't think we should trust them given the history. Kurds in Turkey should understand that they are living in our historic lands and through what means they were able to settle there more. We must always learn from history, not let false intentions get the better of us.

[Artsakh]

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The only reason why would want an independent Kurdistan is too piss off Turkey, I can't see any other reason. Add to everything the claims they are making on Western-Armenia.

Turkey is the biggest threat to the republic of Armenia. The policy that Turkey pursues is one aimed at Armenia's total destruction. Can you grasp that simple concept? Turkey is not a small neighbor like Georgia or Azerbaijan, it is a huge Republic with a powerful and modern armed forces, and continually beefs up its military. The only thing preventing Turkey from invading Armenia (as it had planned doing so in 1993) is the absence of the right circumstances (perhaps that being the absence of Russian troops on Armenia's territory).

Regardless of the past, the Kurds today are a key ingredient in the fragmentation of Turkey. A smaller Turkey is a weakened Turkey, and less of a threat and more manageable for Armenia. It's as simply as that. A Kurdish state is an element in solving the armenian question that must be used.

Don't get ahead of yourself, kurds laying claim to western Armenia. Lets get it out of Turkish hands, and then worry about Western Armenia. Even in such a case, if the Kurds were to occup and build a state on lands of western Armenia, such a Kurdish state would be FARRRR easier to deal with(in terms of hopes for getting the land back) than we have today against the large and powerful Turkish republic.

What would Armenia gain by supporting the creation of yet an other Western puppet that will be hostile against many of our allies aka Russia and Iran

What we could gain is the US dumping Turkey for it's new ally-Kurdistan- and awarding it lands from todays turkey.

[BZamanov]

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Your making a statement followed by no reasons, I therefore do not accept it, and I have provided evidence for yezidis and you have not, the only reason Iran supports you is to counter Azerbaijan, and the ruski consulate in Erbil already stated that Russia will recognise an independent Kurdistan not that we are in a rush to declare independence.

We could also promote nationalism between Chaldeans and Assyrians but instead we open cultural and historical centers for them, let them teach their language in schools and provide financial assistance to build new churches.

I'm waiting for him to provide some evidence as well...

[haysip]

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if kurds can somehow balance the forces with turkey, then we can fuk azergayjan and get the eastern part

[kurdman]

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I think you answered that yourself:

That does not make any sense.

Though, to be living amongst Kurds is a situation I wouldn't wish on any minority population.

That's funny, I wonder why 200,000 Arabs have moved to Kurdistan and at least 50,000 Christians have moved too? the fact is our cities are developing on a very fast rate and we attract 2 million tourists each year.

[kurdman]

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Given that Turks eagerly participated in the Armenian Genocide and betrayed their Armenian neighbours, I don't see how they can be trusted. Just because we have a common enemy doesn't mean that they can't come back and bite us. Of course they will want to be "friends" with us when they want to achieve their own goal, but in the end I don't think we should trust them given the history. Kurds in Turkey should understand that they are living in our historic lands and through what means they were able to settle there more. We must always learn from history, not let false intentions get the better of us.

I'm confused, why do we need Armenian help? :S we have enough population and natural resources to help us achieve our goal.

[KarotheGreat]

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Turkey is the biggest threat to the republic of Armenia. The policy that Turkey pursues is one aimed at Armenia's total destruction. Can you grasp that simple concept? Turkey is not a small neighbor like Georgia or Azerbaijan, it is a huge Republic with a powerful and modern armed forces, and continually beefs up its military. The only thing preventing Turkey from invading Armenia (as it had planned doing so in 1993) is the absence of the right circumstances (perhaps that being the absence of Russian troops on Armenia's territory).

Regardless of the past, the Kurds today are a key ingredient in the fragmentation of Turkey. A smaller Turkey is a weakened Turkey, and less of a threat and more manageable for Armenia. It's as simply as that. A Kurdish state is an element in solving the armenian question that must be used.

Don't get ahead of yourself, kurds laying claim to western Armenia. Lets get it out of Turkish hands, and then worry about Western Armenia. Even in such a case, if the Kurds were to occup and build a state on lands of western Armenia, such a Kurdish state would be FARRRR easier to deal with(in terms of hopes for getting the land back) than we have today against the large and powerful Turkish republic.



What we could gain is the US dumping Turkey for it's new ally-Kurdistan- and awarding it lands from todays turkey.

Why would the US dump an ally that it has had for the last 60 years? A member of NATO and one of the strongest militaries in the region? Or do you think that the policy makers in Washington are that stupid to change a stable ally that they have had for for 6 decades for new ally that they don't know if they can trust them.

An independent Kurdistan will be in Northern-Iraq because Turkey will never give up an inch of land and the US will not go to war with its own ally. Or do you think the Kurds will have the power to take on the Turkish army?

The Kurds of Turkey are not even united as a single force, they are so fragmented that it isn't even funny, some of the clans support the government and others support the PKK, I don't see them ever taking on the Turkish army.

So tell me how an independent Kurdistan in Northern-Iraq will serve our interests? How will a new tool for NATO interests serve our interests?

@Armanen
One on one Iran can handle the Kurds any day but that is not how politics works and it is never one on one there are always others joining in.

[kurdman]

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Kurds in "Turkey" are becoming more and more united every day, I suggest you follow the news before you open your mouth, besides what were you expecting? this is nothing new, divided land = divided loyalty and we have the same problem in Iraq, trust me... Saddam had his own Kurdish divisions in the north that were 'Loyal' to him but in reality they were just afraid and needed money, and these 'loyal' quickly joined the rebellion as soon as America declared war on Iraq! and we know all of them, we know who was a traitor and who was not.. and it's funny how quickly they have become ultra-nationalists.

The same applies to Turkey: Members of Turkey's MHP resign, join pro-Kurdish party (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...rty-2011-05-23)

After all, people that are easily assimilated, are also easy assimilated back

P.S: We're not going to go with Iran becuase they have been independent for years and have a much bigger population so it would be stupid for us to compare our self to them as of this moment! besides, with a big of smart abuse of our religion sect we can get quite a few sunni states in on it too I'm sure suadia and other rich sunni Arab states wouldn't mind sparing a couple billion.

[KarotheGreat]

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Kurds in "Turkey" are becoming more and more united every day, I suggest you follow the news before you open your mouth, besides what were you expecting? this is nothing new, divided land = divided loyalty and we have the same problem in Iraq, trust me... Saddam had his own Kurdish divisions in the north that were 'Loyal' to him but in reality they were just afraid and needed money, and these 'loyal' quickly joined the rebellion as soon as America declared war on Iraq! and we know all of them, we know who was a traitor and who was not.. and it's funny how quickly they have become ultra-nationalists.

The same applies to Turkey: Members of Turkey's MHP resign, join pro-Kurdish party (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...rty-2011-05-23)

After all, people that are easily assimilated, are also easy assimilated back

P.S: We're not going to go with Iran becuase they have been independent for years and have a much bigger population so it would be stupid for us to compare our self to them as of this moment!

The fact that Kurdish parties can't get majority in Kurdish majority regions proofs what I've said