Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I never knew there was a Kurdish state or a place called Kurdistan in history that can be used as justification to these ridiculous claim of Kurdish ancestral lands…..our friends the Iranian laugh at you, we try not to but its very hard.

The Kurd will do good if they would support The treaty of Sevres which has legal grounds against Turkey and even a place for an independent Kurdish state. Armenia lays no official claim on all of ancient Armenian lands.

Trust me man, the feeling is mutual

In just 5 years we've completely transformed our main cities to point that it's starting to look very modern, our government today is formed out of many Kurds that returned from the west, many of them are professors that were leading high profile scientific research teams.

We will have the last laugh

Welcome to Kurdistan

[Eddo211]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Enjoy it while you can.

Ocalan controls PKK.....Deep State controls Okalan.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The true extent of Kurdish involvement in the Armenian genocide isn't going to be studied properly until Turkey ceases most of its state-level denying. Until that happens, the AG is always going to be more of a political issue that an historical subject. Armenians understate the Kurdish participation in the genocide (and the many historical precedents of Kurds commiting massacres) in order to gain political advantage against Turkey. And Kurds have a "fluffy cuddly oppressed ethnics" image that is ripe for pricking with some pointed truths. Kurds did commit most of the massacres - but, yes, they didn't do it for their national interests (most Kurds in 1915 were not concious of having a Kurdish identity). Their motives were much worse: They did it for the immediate financial gain and for the pleasure of doing it. The Kurdish involvement in the Armenian Genocide was just normal Kurdish behaviour, but on a far larger scale than ever before and with nobody around to restrain them.

This is what I meant when I said that Kurdish historiography is worse even than that of Azerbaijan. The Carduchi mentioned by Zenophon were not Kurds. There were almost no Kurds at all in Anatolia 1000 years ago - even if you use the fake modern Turkish meaning of Anatolia. Early Armenian texts talk about "Medes", long after real Medes vanished from history - it is thought that they are actually referring to Kurds, but those "medes" did not live in Anatolia, they lived to the south of Armenia, in what is now present-day northern Iran and Iraq. Some tribes also lived near Ararat, and those tribes were where the ancestors of Saladin came from. Kurds only really started to enter Armenia after the Seljuk Turkish invasions, and over centuries the migrations increased and they were the ones chiefly responsible for the devastation and desertion of Armenia and the widespread collapse of civilisation there, a process that culminated in the Armenian genocide - it was only after the genocide that the Kurds became the majority settled population for the first time.

Bell after reading these and others of yours I've got a request to make. Can you make a list of what in your opinion are the best books on Armenian history? Starting from the beginning till now.
I hope the rest of the members will join in as well and contribute.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Enjoy it while you can.

Ocalan controls PKK.....Deep State controls Okalan.

Right OK, genius... but anyway what's that got to do with the PKK? what is showed is southern Kurdistan and it's completely controlled by Kurds, not the PKK... but our own elected government.

[Eddo211]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Shows Kurdish trend.....if I were you I would cover my balls and tighten up my butt cheeks from whats comming.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Shows Kurdish trend.....if I were you I would cover my balls and tighten up my butt cheeks from whats comming.

Yeah, genius and what's that? enlighten me.

[Eddo211]

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I actually sympathize with the Kurds......those bastards took your mountains away and I know how one can become "one with mountain".

and now, they have turned Kurd into a tool yet again, to be used and later discarded….yet again......
keep that Kurdish flag up with honour in Northern Iraq.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I actually sympathize with the Kurds......those bastards took your mountains away and I know how one can become "one with mountain".

and now, they have turned Kurd into a tool yet again, to be used and later discarded….yet again......
keep that Kurdish flag up with honour in Northern Iraq.

Let me break it down to you:-

Turkey statements:

2003: Tribal leaders in north Iraq
2005: Kirkuk will remain Iraqi, we will declare war to defend the Turkmen.
2007-8: Turkish invasion, lasted one week and shamefully withdrawn.
2009: Turkish consulate opened, Turkish leaders thank Kurdish leaders for their diplomacy in Iraq.
2010: Kurdish leaders visit Turkey and state Kirkuk is a Kurdish city in Turkey! (note 2005)
2011: Erdogen the Turkish PM visits Kurdistan and stands behind the Kurdish flag, he also forces Turkmen in Kirkuk to work with Kurds, Erdogen calls on the Kurdish president to help the divided Sunni and Arab shia.

You see, kid, people have been making speculations and predictions since 2003, and what happened? Kurdish power has just been increasing

Meanwhile Kurdish investers invest in Kurdish cities in Iran and Turkey for example:

$200 million of Iraqi investments in Urfa/Turkey (http://aknews.com/en/aknews/2/244594/)

Kurdish investors also heavily invested in Arab Iraq:

(Reuters) - Iraq's Electricity Ministry said on Wednesday it had shortlisted two private Kurdish-owned companies to build and operate a power plant costing up to $1 billion in Iraq's southern Basra province. (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...7351DN20110406)

[Mos]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I actually sympathize with the Kurds......those bastards took your mountains away and I know how one can become "one with mountain".

and now, they have turned Kurd into a tool yet again, to be used and later discarded….yet again......
keep that Kurdish flag up with honour in Northern Iraq.

Do you sympathise with them for the fact that they were instrumental in massacring Armenians? They betrayed their Armenian neighbours for some blood money fit for a dog, and just because we have common enemies right now, doesn't mean we should trust them, since given their history of betrayal, wouldn't be surprised if they stab you in the back right after they use you.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I've been going through your 'Liberation of western Armenia' thread and it seems like you believe that you will magically be able to take over even though Kurds are the clear majority, and you seem to disregard us with 'they are not organized'

Even if Kurds in the north are not organized, we in the south are very organized, and if you think we will give up the north....well... your in for a surprise.

You think your smarter than us? I laugh at you.. we have great minds in our government.

Dlawer Ala'Aldeen (1960-) دلاوهxر عبدالعزيز علاءالدين, MD, PhD, FRCPath, is the Minister of Higher Education and Scientific Research,[1] Kurdistan Regional Government, Iraq. He is also Professor of Clinical Microbiology and Head of the Molecular Bacteriology and Immunology Group (Division of Microbiology & Infectious Diseases) at University of Nottingham (Nottingham, UK). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dlawer_Ala%27Aldeen)

Professor Karim Yassen discovered the enzyme that has been named Karilysin in his honor after six months research in a university in Poland. He now lives in Kurdistan, teaching in university. (http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles...dsworld457.htm)

Just a couple examples... we also have an american university, with american lecturers teaching our future politicians! there are tens of Kurds all over Europeans governments including Britain.

According to the US embassy the Kurdish leaders are smart leaders. 'Kurdish leaders such
as Talabani and Barzani will likely exploit their political strength among
Shia/Sunni counterparts to protect and expand Kurdish influence in a future
government,' the report notes.

http://humanitariannews.org/20101130/wikileaks-our-kurds

And guess what? they were right! the fools in baghdad could not agree on anything, they held meetings in Tehran and Ankara, they all failed... untill!

Iraq's rival political leaders are meeting in the northern Kurdish city of Irbil in an attempt to agree on a power-sharing arrangement that would end an eight-month power vacuum in the country.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Iraqi-Political-Leaders-Meet-But-Political-Deadlock-Remains-106878764.html

We in the south are also working on unifying all the dialects into one language, we have also finally invited kurdish parties from all over Kurdistan for talks:

The President expressed his support for holding a conference on Kurdistan, adding that the main message of such a conference should be one of peace, dialogue, and peaceful co-existence between Kurds and other peoples. The conference is planned for later this year and will include representatives of all political parties and organizations from all over Kurdistan.

http://www.peyamner.com/details.aspx?l=4&id=235155

The discussion of unification of the Kurdish language, another focus of the meeting, and in this regard, President Barzani said that one of the priorities of the sovereignty is to unite the Kurdish language and work continuously.

At the conclusion of this meeting, President Barzani said that he would do all his efforts with the government to resolve the problems and obstacles to the Writers Union on the Kurds.

KRP

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