Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

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NB: There is huge difference between the Kurdish and Turkish accounts on the other sides losses.
I did not make a survey, but if we add all the claimed Kurdish accounts, they already killed more than 300 askars, while turks report only something arround 40....

Same goes about turkish claims, about pkk losses by air raids in Southern Kurdistan.
Accordink turks they already killed more than 400 pkk....

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Թուրք-քրդական նոր բախումներ արևելյան Մուշ և Հաքքարի նահանգներում. կան սպանվածներ
Օգոստոս 18, 2015 by Անահիտ Չալիկյան

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Թուրքիայի արևելյան Մուշ նահանգում երկրի զինծառայողների հետ բախման արդյունքում օգոստոսի 16-ին սպանվել է «Քրդական աշխատավորական կուսակցության» (PKK) 6 մարտիկ, ևս 1-ին բռնել են։ Այս մասին հայտնում է թուրքական «Անադոլու» լրատվական գործակալությունը։


Միջադեպը եղել է նահանգի Վարթո գավառում, երբ PKK անդամների՝ տարածքն ականապատելու մտադրությունը կանխելու նպատակով Թուրքիայի զինծառայողները ձեռնարկել են հատուկ գործողություն։

Բացի այդ, անվտանգության ծառայակիցներին հաջողվել է վնասազերծել ընդհանուր 120 կգ զանգվածով 2 ինքնաշեն պայթուցիկներ, որոնք տեղադրված են եղել գավառի տարբեր ծայրամասերում։

Ինչպես հաղորդում է լրատվական գործակալությունը, գործողությունն իրականացվել է Մուշի նահանգապետի կողմից հայտարարված պարտետային ժամվա ընթացքում՝ երեկոյան 8-ից առավոտյան 5-ը։ Այս գործողության ժամանակ նաև բազմաթիվ տներ և գրասենյակներ են վնասվել։

Քարտեզում ներկայիս Թուրքիայի Մուշ նահանգն է։

Արդեն օգոստիսի 17-ին կանգնեցնելով դեպի գավառ ընթացող կասկածելի մեքենան՝ Թուրքիայի անվտանգության ծառայակիցներն առգրավել են 15 միավոր «Կալաշնիկով» տեսակի հրացան, 5 հազար փամփուշտ և 5 միավոր ձեռքի հակատանկային նռնականետ։

Օգոստոսի 18-ին եվս մեկ միջադեպ եղել է արևելյան Հաքքարի նահանգում։ Ոստիկանների հետ բախման ժամանակ սպանվել է PKK մեկ զինյալ։ Տեղական աղբյուրների փոխանցմամբ՝ դեպքը եղել է, երբ քուրդ մարտիկները փակել են Սեմդիննլի-Յուքսեքովա մայրուղին, այնուհետև՝ հարձակվել դեպքի վայր հասած ոստիկանների վրա։

Հիշեցնենք, որ թուրք-քրդական հարաբերությունների՝ վերջին շաբաթների սրման պատճառը հուլիսի 20-ին Սուրուչում քրդերի դեմ ահաբեկչությունն էր, որի համար թուրքական իշխանությունները մեղադրեցին «Իսլամական Պետության» (ԻՊ) զինյալներին, իսկ քրդերը՝ նաև թուրքական իշխանություններին։ Սրան հաջորդեցին Թուրքիայում քրդերի և ԻՊ կողմնակիցների ձերբակալությունները։

Հուլիսի 23-ին ԻՊ ահաբեկիչների կրակոցներից զոհվեց թուրք-սիրիական սահմանում ծառայություն իրականացնող Թուրքիայի ԶՈւ մեկ ենթասպա, ևս երկու զինծառայող վիրավորվեցին, ինչին ի պատասխան թուրքական օդուժը սկսեց Սիրիայում և Իրաքում հարվածել ԻՊ-ի ու նաև «Քրդստանի աշխատավորական կուսակցության» (PKK) դիրքերին:

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VICKEN CHETERIAN: KURDS REPLACED THE ARMENIANS

August 18, 2015

Journalist and historian Vicken Cheterian wrote a book which assesses
the effects of Armenian genocide on global politics, academic research,
Kurdish question, Turkish and Armenian societies during the process
that has been going on for 100 years. Focusing mainly on the post
genocide period, Open Wounds: Armenians, Turks, and a Century of
Genocide considers Hrant Dink's assassination as a milestone.

There are lots of books that tell and teach many things to you, but
a book that can change the way you perceive and speed up the healing
process of the society is a rare thing. Switzerland based journalist
Vicken Cheterian's newly published book Open Wounds: Armenians,
Turks, and a Century of Genocide is a work that could trigger some
radical changes. Chetarian considers the genocide as an event that
still plays a role in today's social and political environment, rather
than a tragedy that happened in the past. And he emphasizes that this
crime inflicts deep wounds not only locally, but also globally.

Putting forth that the genocide still continues with denial and the
legitimization of crime and usurpation, Cheterian points out that
there is 1915 behind many conflicts that is important for humanity,
occurring not only in these lands but also in the whole world, such
as democratization of Turkey, relations between Armenia and Turkey,
Nagorno-Karabakh question and Kurdish question. And he emphasizes
the importance of contending the genocide in order to "fight with
the dark forces". We got together with Chetarian and talked about the
hundred years of the Armenian genocide; we asked him to evaluate some
striking points in the book for the readers of Agos.

In your book on the process that has been going on since the Armenian
genocide, you consider Hrant Dink's assassination as a milestone. Why
is that?

I never had the idea of writing such a book. Because reading about
the Armenian genocide was very painful to me. Now I realize that I
tried to avoid this history for very long time. Both of my parents
were born in Turkey and I was born in Beirut and I grew up during the
war. In this context, I didn't want to be associated with the people
who had been massacred, deported, whose culture and civilization was
destroyed. Each time I tried to read memoirs, I really suffered.

The idea of this book came from my publisher in London. We were
discussing about my previous book and then he asked me: "Why don't
you write something about the genocide?" I answered spontaneously: "I
don't know how to write about the genocide, because there are a lot of
good books on it. But what I want to do is to write about post-genocide
period and what the humanity has done with this heritage."

Then I realized that this subject is very much related to the current
situation in Turkey. For years, I had been following -and personally
knowing- people like Taner Akcam, RagÄąp Zarakolu and Hrant Dink. In
this book, I wanted to discover what made the subject of genocide
come into prominence. Why did the intellectuals in Turkey or some
people suddenly discover that this subject is very important for
them? What were the changes in Turkey that brought back this subject
about Ottoman Armenians and the way they were destroyed? And why did
it take this long? Which conditions caused the Turkish intellectuals,
artists and poets, who were aware that something was missing in their
country, to keep silent till 2000s?

I started the book not with the assassination of Hrant Dink but with
his funeral, which made all these people walk in the street shouting
"I am Hrant, I am Armenian." I consider this as a revolution in the
public opinion in Turkey.

There is another question I am asking; when there is a crime in a
village, a country or a society, what happens next if people pretend
that this crime didn't happen? Does the crime disappear? What happens
to the criminal and the victim? I am trying to look at the effects
of this crime. At the beginning, I thought that I would be focusing
mainly on the Armenians. The crime, which has not been recognized,
is keeping them in the victim position for decades. We know when
the Armenian genocide started, but we don't know when it's finished
because it is not recognized yet. But in the end, what really amazed
me was to discover how much this subject affects Turkey.

You talk about a kind of awakening of the intellectuals in Turkey.

Perhaps Hrant Dink's assassination is one of the most important
events that triggered it. Do you think that the public followed these
intellectuals as opinion leaders?

The first chapter of the book is about Hrant Dink. He really changed
the public opinion in Turkey about the question of Armenians. Hrant
Dink is also very important, because he is the first Armenian in
Turkey after 1915, who claimed his position in the society as an
Armenian intellectual. He wanted to talk freely about what he thinks
and feels about this question instead of hiding. At the same time,
he was very careful. He was aware of the red lines in Turkey. But
once he assumed this role, he had to go beyond those red lines,
which eventually led his assassination.

I think Hrant Dink is a historical figure, because he did something
that no one else has ever dared to do. But then, there are also other
people such as RagÄąp Zarakolu, Taner Akcam and Hasan Cemal. RagÄąp
Zarakolu is very important, because for many years, he published books
and created a field in Turkey where scholars, historians, intellectuals
could talk about this issue. Even if people were against his ideas,
they still had to react to the body of literature he created.

Another important character is Taner Akcam. He is the first Turkish
scholar who dedicates himself to a research on Armenian genocide. I
wanted to see what made or enabled Taner Akcam chose this way.

Hasan Cemal is symbolically very important, because he comes from the
side of perpetrators -the people who took the decision to kill the
whole ethnic group. Why did Hasan Cemal decide to write his book called
'1915: Armenian Genocide'? How did his intellectual journey bring
him there? I think those people are the pioneers. With their courage,
they triggered a change. But we didn't reach the end of this journey.

You also point out the silence of the Armenian society in Turkey and
mention how this situation has been changing. Not only the Turkish
society, but also the attitude of Armenian people is changing...

There are different types of silences among the Armenians. There is
the traditional Armenian diaspora, which was silent for 50 years,
till 1965. This silence was not only caused by their trauma, but also
by the fact that no one was ready to listen to them yet. There were
censored. For example, Franz Werfel's book 'The Forty Days of Musa
Dagh' was going to be a Hollywood movie in 1930s. But as a result of
the pressure of Turkish government, the Hollywood studio that bought
the rights eventually gave up shooting the movie. The Armenian diaspora
who survived the genocide was not able to talk to anyone about it;
they could have only talked to each other. I think Armenians are very
vocal about the genocide now, because they were silenced for 50 years.

On the other hand, in the Soviet Union, there was another kind
of silence, because Stalin repressed the memory of genocide. As
a leader criminal himself, he didn't want it to be commemorated,
talked about and researched in his empire. There was also a strong
alliance between the Soviet Union and Kemalist movement. Kemalist
movement used to receive money, arms and weapons from the Soviet
Union to fight against the French and British troops.

Finally, there is a longer silence within Turkey. Even within Turkey,
there are different silences. Silence of the Armenians in Istanbul is
different than the silence of the Armenians in Bitlis, DiyarbakÄąr,
Antep, and Islamized Armenians from the countryside of Anatolia. Now,
there are a handful of people who are coming out and reclaiming their
old Armenian identity and we don't know how this process will evolve
in the future.

In relation to this issue, you mention the Armenian origins of people
in HemÅ~_in, Rize in your book. In your opinion, how will revealing
this kind of alternative narratives about the past affect the process?

Now, the process of democratization of Turkey and breaking down
the wall of silence goes hand in hand. These people who were
silenced for years will gradually come to light and reclaim their
Armenian identity. However, it should be pointed out that they follow
different path while doing that. For instance, I didn't only reclaim
the Armenian heritage in DiyarbakÄąr and Gaziantep, but also I met
with people who returned to Armenian Apostolic Church. Another group
was researching their Armenian origins, but didn't abandon Islam. In
addition to this, there are people in HemÅ~_in living in the highland
of Northern Anatolia who protected their native language Armenian,
though they were converted to Islam in 17th century. Even though
they don't want to convert to Christianity, their awareness about
their Armenian past and cultural origin increases. And this is an
extraordinary situation that defies the totalitarian ideology that
repressed this nation during the dark 20th century.

What is happening in Turkey in 2015, the 100th year of genocide? What
do you observe?

I think Turkey has moved forward, but it is still hesitating. Turkey
will provide the justice when it feels ready. Once Turkey starts to
respect its own citizens, then it will also be able to show respect
to its former citizens that were systematically murdered. But Turkey
is not there yet. It has moved away from the Kemalist model, but we
don't know where it's going now.

The genocide doesn't linger in the past; it is still with us. Although
it happened 100 years ago, we haven't got over this experience. Turkey
accepts that something happened and there were victims. In April 2014,
Prime Minister Erdogan expressed his condolences to Armenians and this
was the first time that a Turkish official recognized the sufferings of
the Armenians. But still, it was a very strange way to recognize this,
because the soldiers who died because they fought against each other
or the murderers were put in the same position as the victims of the
genocide. The act of killing can be either legitimate or a crime.

I think the prime minister had failed to make a distinction between
the crime and fight between the soldiers. Up to now, the Turkish
officials have not taken the responsibility of the genocide.

Also the Turkish society has not reached the point to recognize
that what happened in 1915 is important not only for the Armenians,
but also for Turkey in general. Today, it is important to Armenians,
Turks and Kurds in different ways. For Armenians, it is a matter of
recognition and by stopping the pain, having a symbolic justice.

Because genocide is so enormous that, there is no way for real
justice. But for Turkey, it is a question of democracy. You cannot
have democracy in this country, if the state considers massacring
100 thousand people and taking their property as legitimate. There
can't be rule of law in such a society.

What do you think is the next step for Turkey?

I think different power groups will recognize the importance of
the genocide of Assyrians and Pontic Greeks along with the Armenian
genocide in 1915. It is important not just for Armenians, Kurds and
Turks but also for the humanity, because the global political culture
has suffered enormously from this event. The level of our political
has really dropped away. If we don't recognize and attain the knowledge
about what happened in the past, we will not be able to fight against
those dark forces in all societies. So, in the next decade, we have
to come together and figure out how we can fight together against
those crimes that were committed in the past and will be committed
in the future.

You think that the solution of problems with the Armenians is closely
related to the problem with Kurds. There is a chapter in your book
that is titled "Kurds: From Perpetrator to Victim". In this chapter,
you also write that the regions that the Armenians once lived became
Kurdish territories in the historical context. Could we elaborate
on that, considering the current political situation of the Kurdish
Movement in Turkey?

I think this issue is related to the democratization and closely
related to the Kurdish question in Turkey. It is also related to
the relationship between Armenia and Turkey, and Nagorno-Karabakh
question. When you dig deep enough, you find out that 1915 has been
there and it has played a very negative role in all these issues. By
fighting for the recognition of 1915, we also fight against this
culture of justifying crimes against humanity.

The Kurdish question in Turkey emerged right after the destruction of
Assyrians and Armenians that lived in the southeast region of Turkey.

And this shows that the problems cannot be solved by resorting to
violence, because violence creates a crime culture and leads to more
suffering. There is a somewhat metaphysical aspect of Kurdish history:
in 1915, they were perpetrators and they became victims in 1920. In
many respects, Kurds replaced the Armenians. Even their demographical
features are parallel to that of Ottoman Armenians. For instance,
half of the society lives in the poorer east and the other half lives
in the metropolis in the west. Today, Kurds are in the quest of rule
of law instead of discrimination, just like the Armenians were in
19th century. The Armenians have lost in 1915, because their demand
for reform was responded by destruction. I hope that the Kurds won't
be facing the same threat and become one of the main forces in the
process of democratization of Turkey.

http://hetq.am/eng/news/62127/vicken-cheterian-kurds-replaced-the-armenians.html

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Eight Turkish soldiers have been killed in a bomb attack in the south-eastern province of Siirt

Turkish troops killed in bomb attack in Siirt province

Eight Turkish soldiers have been killed in a bomb attack in the south-eastern province of Siirt, the army says.

The bomb exploded on a highway as a military vehicle was passing. Seven more soldiers were wounded.

No-one said they carried out the attack, but the army blamed it on Kurdish PKK militants.

Four troops died in gun battles with the PKK in Diyarbakir province. The attacks come amid a wave of violence after a two-year truce failed.

Separately, two people have been arrested after gunfire was heard outside Istanbul's iconic Dolmabahce Palace, which houses offices of the prime minister.




One policeman was slightly injured in the attack and a third suspect is being sought, the Turkish Anadolu news agency reported.

A statement from the Istanbul governor's office said the attackers were from a "terrorist group" and that they had previously carried out an attack on the Istanbul HQ of the ruling AK party on 8 August.

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu was in Ankara at the time of the attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33985045

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On a side note, I hope and pray that Turkey sends in group troops to Syria, because that's going to mean their slaughter. And its going to ignite things out of control internally for Ankara.

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Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The smell will kill us.

Seriously.....it is a smart move by Turkey to put Kurds between us if they succeed.

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Actions by HPG guerrillas continue

Wednesday, August 19, 2015

BEHDINAN - ANF

People's Defense Forces Press Office HPG-BIM reported in a written statement that guerrillas continued their actions in North Kurdistan in response to the ongoing attacks by the Turkish army.

As part of the Martyr Reşit Serdar Initiative, guerrillas conducted an action against the police station in Şemdinli district of Hakkari at 13:30 on August 17. While the casualties couldn't be verified, Turkish army intervened the scene and attempted an intervention but the soldiers in armored vehicles were hit and forced to retreat by guerrillas.

Troops in a number of armored vehicles attempted to launch an operation against the guerrillas who took the road between Şemdinli and its Şapatan village under their control at 05:00 on August 18. Clashes broke out at the scene as guerrillas hit the Turkish units with heavy weapons, as a result of which 9 soldiers were killed.

HPG guerrilla Azad Yiğit, nom de guerre Baz Faraşin, from Hakkari fell a martyr in the clashes here.

Turkish military on the other hand bombed the Şapatan village with howitzer, mortar and tank fire, which damaged around 10 houses damaged and four civilians injured.

HPG said clashes erupted as youths responded to the Turkish troops that attempted to enter the Turgut Özal neighborhood in Şırnak's Hezex (İdil) district in 10 armored vehicles at 01:00 on August 17 night. Guerrillas intervened the scene and targeted 3 armored vehicles with rockets at 03:30. While the casualties couldn't be verified, the troops retreated from the area after the intervention by guerrillas.

In another action by Martyr Mehmet Goyi team in the province of Van, guerrillas targeted three policemen standing near an armored vehicle in Yeni neighborhood at 20:00 on August 15. Two policemen were heavily injured in the action after which Turkish army opened random fire on the neighborhood till the morning hours.

The road between Karakoçan and Kewê areas of Elazığ was taken under control of guerrillas between 18:00 and 19:30 on August 18. Guerrillas stopped 100 vehicles here, performed ID checks and informed the people about the current process.

Turkish military forces attempted to enter the Martyr Ronahi and Martyr İsmail Cemetery of guerrillas in Varto district of Muş at 05:00 on August 19. After Cobra type helicopters shelled the surrounding area of the cemetery, a military convoy heading towards the scene was effectively hit by guerrillas with heavy weapons. Turkish troops had to retreat from the area upon the action by guerrillas and the arrival of local people at the scene to act as human shields and protect the cemetery.

Guerrillas blocked a road between Bitlis and its Hizan district and spread propaganda to the people about the process at 19:00 on August 18, and ended the action at 20:30.

An action by guerrillas targeted the Teterozê guard post in Zorava village of Ağrı's Bazid (Doğubayazıt) district on August 17. Casualties of the Turkish army couldn't be verified.

Guerrillas sabotaged and destroyed a base station of two private GSM operators in Xarıkê village of Bazid at 09:00 on August 18.

Guerrillas blocked the road between Dersim and its Ovacık district and performed ID checks from 19:00 on August 18 to 06:00 on August 19.

Guerrillas also blocked the road between Dersim and Erzincan and performed ID checks from 19:30 on August 18 to 06:00 on August 19.

HPG provided the following ID information of three guerrillas who were, as previously announced, martyred in a clash with Turkish troops near the Karakale village located between Digor district of Kars and Kağızman district of Erzurum on August 16.

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Nom de Guerre: Erdal (Çavreş) Agıri

Name-Surname: Harun Yıldırım

Place of Birth: Ağrı

Parents' Names: Suna – Yüksel

Date and Place of Death: 16 August 2015 / Kars

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Nom de Guerre: Hejar Sarkamış

Name-Surname: Mustafa Aydın

Place of Birth: Kars

Date and Place of Death: 16 August 2015 / Kars

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Nom de Guerre: Helê Merivan

Name-Surname: Raim Hacızade

Place of Birth: Merivan

Parents' Names: Feride – Sıdık

Date and Place of Death: 16 August 2015 / Kars

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Actions by HPG guerrillas continue

Wednesday, August 19, 2015

BEHDINAN - ANF

People's Defense Forces Press Office HPG-BIM reported in a written statement that guerrillas continued their actions in North Kurdistan in response to the ongoing attacks by the Turkish army.

As part of the Martyr Reşit Serdar Initiative, guerrillas conducted an action against the police station in Şemdinli district of Hakkari at 13:30 on August 17. While the casualties couldn't be verified, Turkish army intervened the scene and attempted an intervention but the soldiers in armored vehicles were hit and forced to retreat by guerrillas.

Troops in a number of armored vehicles attempted to launch an operation against the guerrillas who took the road between Şemdinli and its Şapatan village under their control at 05:00 on August 18. Clashes broke out at the scene as guerrillas hit the Turkish units with heavy weapons, as a result of which 9 soldiers were killed.

HPG guerrilla Azad Yiğit, nom de guerre Baz Faraşin, from Hakkari fell a martyr in the clashes here.

Turkish military on the other hand bombed the Şapatan village with howitzer, mortar and tank fire, which damaged around 10 houses damaged and four civilians injured.

HPG said clashes erupted as youths responded to the Turkish troops that attempted to enter the Turgut Özal neighborhood in Şırnak's Hezex (İdil) district in 10 armored vehicles at 01:00 on August 17 night. Guerrillas intervened the scene and targeted 3 armored vehicles with rockets at 03:30. While the casualties couldn't be verified, the troops retreated from the area after the intervention by guerrillas.

In another action by Martyr Mehmet Goyi team in the province of Van, guerrillas targeted three policemen standing near an armored vehicle in Yeni neighborhood at 20:00 on August 15. Two policemen were heavily injured in the action after which Turkish army opened random fire on the neighborhood till the morning hours.

The road between Karakoçan and Kewê areas of Elazığ was taken under control of guerrillas between 18:00 and 19:30 on August 18. Guerrillas stopped 100 vehicles here, performed ID checks and informed the people about the current process.

Turkish military forces attempted to enter the Martyr Ronahi and Martyr İsmail Cemetery of guerrillas in Varto district of Muş at 05:00 on August 19. After Cobra type helicopters shelled the surrounding area of the cemetery, a military convoy heading towards the scene was effectively hit by guerrillas with heavy weapons. Turkish troops had to retreat from the area upon the action by guerrillas and the arrival of local people at the scene to act as human shields and protect the cemetery.

Guerrillas blocked a road between Bitlis and its Hizan district and spread propaganda to the people about the process at 19:00 on August 18, and ended the action at 20:30.

An action by guerrillas targeted the Teterozê guard post in Zorava village of Ağrı's Bazid (Doğubayazıt) district on August 17. Casualties of the Turkish army couldn't be verified.

Guerrillas sabotaged and destroyed a base station of two private GSM operators in Xarıkê village of Bazid at 09:00 on August 18.

Guerrillas blocked the road between Dersim and its Ovacık district and performed ID checks from 19:00 on August 18 to 06:00 on August 19.

Guerrillas also blocked the road between Dersim and Erzincan and performed ID checks from 19:30 on August 18 to 06:00 on August 19.

HPG provided the following ID information of three guerrillas who were, as previously announced, martyred in a clash with Turkish troops near the Karakale village located between Digor district of Kars and Kağızman district of Erzurum on August 16.

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Nom de Guerre: Erdal (Çavreş) Agıri

Name-Surname: Harun Yıldırım

Place of Birth: Ağrı

Parents' Names: Suna – Yüksel

Date and Place of Death: 16 August 2015 / Kars

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Nom de Guerre: Hejar Sarkamış

Name-Surname: Mustafa Aydın

Place of Birth: Kars

Date and Place of Death: 16 August 2015 / Kars

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Nom de Guerre: Helê Merivan

Name-Surname: Raim Hacızade

Place of Birth: Merivan

Parents' Names: Feride – Sıdık

Date and Place of Death: 16 August 2015 / Kars

Clearly this is kurd initiated " news".
Every reference to western Armenia is referred to as --- north kurdistan ---.
How about the reference to the Van district as north kurdville ?
Did you get the reference to the sanctity of their cemetery?
Is there even --- ONE ARMENIAN CEMETARY --- in !!!!!!! ANY !!!!!!!! Of the over ***** THREE THOUSAND VILLAGES ******* that are now ?????? OCCUPIED ??????? By kurds that have (even one) CEMETARY that has been shown respect ?
Anyone know of even one ?

[Artashes]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Clearly this is kurd initiated " news".
Every reference to western Armenia is referred to as --- north kurdistan ---.
How about the reference to the Van district as north kurdville ?
Did you get the reference to the sanctity of their cemetery?
Is there even --- ONE ARMENIAN CEMETARY --- in !!!!!!! ANY !!!!!!!! Of the over ***** THREE THOUSAND VILLAGES ******* that are now ?????? OCCUPIED ??????? By kurds that have (even one) CEMETARY that has been shown respect ?
Anyone know of even one ?

Just in case anybody missed the question...

Does anyone from anywhere know of even one of the over three thousand (3,000 +++ ) Armenian villages that are now occupied by almost exclusively kurds that has an Armenian CEMETARY that hasn't been abused or destroyed???

[Armynia]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Prospects of a Kurdish state means nothing for Armenia, Prospects of Artsakh means a lot !!!!!!!!

[Artashes]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Prospects of a Kurdish state means nothing for Armenia, Prospects of Artsakh means a lot !!!!!!!!

Prospects of a Kurdish state means nothing to you. You don't speak for all of Armenia.
Prospects of a fraudulent kurdish state in western Armenia propagated by Kurds or anyone else who thinks the people who actually lived there till they were murdered (RECENTLY) means everything to Armenia.

So there's two different takes on reality.

Only Artsakh ... Only the here and now.
Means nothing ***** quote ***** to Armenians about what happened for --------- CENTURIES --------////
Hey armynia , your full of crap.