Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[londontsi]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

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There seem to be a lot of hot air in this forum about Armenian lands , north Kurdistan etc.
These may be relevant but they need a lot of cooking time.
Let me highlight a far more serious scenario which is so close to our nose we cannot see it.

There has be quite a bit of publicity of “hidden” Armenians who are coming back to the fold. Also adopting the nation's faith.

As we know there is huge pressure on turkey to return Armenian churches and lands of the church which were appropriated.

The way things stand only Turkish citizens and through the Constantinople patriarchy can these lands returned to the church and the people.

It seems there is a huge loophole whereby any group of Turks can claim to be Armenian, adopt the religion and as community claim church and associated lands.
Turkey would love this fiasco to take place.

The question has to be can the patriarchy control events to avoid this sham.

[Artashes]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Yes you specifically fasioned those words to meant that killing an kurd is not genocide and calling it a genocided was a poor choce of words rater it shood be looked at as justified revenge. Who the hell do you think you're kidding?

Again you are telling me what I mean even after I've told you that's not what I mean.
I was clear, but you in above post have changed both hye and my words and inserted your meaning.
Your insistence on telling me what I meant is absurd and fraudulent

[gokorik]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

LOL you think I'm being absurd and fraudulent. Fine by me. You can back track all you want.

[Artashes]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

LOL you think I'm being absurd and fraudulent. Fine by me. You can back track all you want.

No backtracking at all. None.
You insert your meaning of my words fraudulently which is absurd.
You take no explanation of my words by me but rather continue to insist you get to decide the meaning of my words.
Nothing but absurdity and fraud, by you .

[Artashes]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

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There seem to be a lot of hot air in this forum about Armenian lands , north Kurdistan etc.
These may be relevant but they need a lot of cooking time.
Let me highlight a far more serious scenario which is so close to our nose we cannot see it.

There has be quite a bit of publicity of “hidden” Armenians who are coming back to the fold. Also adopting the nation's faith.

As we know there is huge pressure on turkey to return Armenian churches and lands of the church which were appropriated.

The way things stand only Turkish citizens and through the Constantinople patriarchy can these lands returned to the church and the people.

It seems there is a huge loophole whereby any group of Turks can claim to be Armenian, adopt the religion and as community claim church and associated lands.
Turkey would love this fiasco to take place.

The question has to be can the patriarchy control events to avoid this sham.

Although I disagree with you on your evaluation of "far" more serious, I definitely agree on the seriousness.
This is part and parcel a turc act. Been going on for, mmm, well at least (extreme very least) since 1915.

--- the way things stand ---
turc govt is 100% in control of that and has been since ... Lol.

--- lets hope patriarch ... ---
As in the emmediately past (but really for how long??) ****** anyone ****** who wears the cloth is highly decernible ... Read that as highly subject to xxxxxtreme pressure.
This entire thing is a ploy.
In other words ... They are going give back what doesn't and never belonged to them, but like corporate obfuscation , they play this house of cards.
It's a shuck and jive act. They have the option of changing rules and parameters at any time.
It does need to be pursued, but my opinion, it's not getting to the heart of the matter.
No matter what math you do, no matter how complex, one always starts by reducing the equation to it lowest common denominator.

--- it's simply another fraudulent turc actic ---

They can not stand the light of truth.

[Artashes]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Yes, I agree , this needs to continuously be pursued.
However, without acknowledging what has taken place, this becomes more of a cat and mouse game rather than
----- the eradification of an entire ... and all that was stolen.

We are talking about theives of the grossest emaginable sort being bequeathed humanity , dignity, and ligitimate right to was was stolen under the most ********* inhumane ********** manner anyone can emaginable.
Furthermore ... If there is a church, than the congregation actually occupied an much greater area than church property.
I ripe you for xxxxx$ but I give you 10 cents??? ---- slick ------

It actually come down to either they stop lying or we are still dealing with the same entity.
Lowest common god damned denominator.

[Artashes]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Yes, I agree , this needs to continuously be pursued.
However, without acknowledging what has taken place, this becomes more of a cat and mouse game rather than
----- the eradification of an entire ... and all that was stolen.

We are talking about theives of the grossest emaginable sort being bequeathed humanity , dignity, and ligitimate right to was was stolen under the most ********* inhumane ********** manner anyone can emaginable.
Furthermore ... If there is a church, than the congregation actually occupied an much greater area than church property.
I ripe you for xxxxx$ but I give you 10 cents??? ---- slick ------

It actually come down to either they stop lying or we are still dealing with the same entity.
Lowest common god damned denominator.

That applies equally the the kurds as well.
They are manuevering for the exact same goal as hundreds of years of our experience (unfortunate) with them.
IE: they coveted our land, wealth, girlis & women , children, and ??? Did I miss something ?

The reality is gruesome, unfortunately so is our history.
Regretfully , that's the truth.

And that's what's happening.

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

PKK Declares Autonomous Region in Turkey’s Dersim Province

ERBIL (Rudaw.net)—The Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) has announced a democratic autonomous region in the Dersim province of Turkey, and established checkpoints on the main road in the province Tuesday.

A video released by the PKK purports to show the group’s fighters controlling the road and searching vehicles.

“We as guerrillas, under the right of self-defense for ourselves and our nation, declare democratic autonomy in Dersim,” said a fighter in the video.

In July, violence erupted once again between the PKK and the Turkish military, and both sides have announced different death tolls.

The PKK claimed Tuesday that in Hakkari its fighters killed 32 Turkish security forces and lost five of their own. The Turkish government announced only one Turkish soldier was killed and several others wounded.

The Diyarbakir governor’s office on Tuesday announced a curfew starting from 1:00am in response to the violence.

In related news, according to Turkish media, people in a demonstration in the mainly Kurdish Dogubeyazit district declared self-management.

“We declare our self-management,” said Muhsin Kula, who claimed to be part of the new government. “Our villages and cities have been turned into ruins. The latest Varto case is proof that humanity is dead.”

Varto is a town in eastern Turkey where on or around August 10, a female PKK fighter named Ekin Van was allegedly raped and killed before her naked body was dragged through the streets by Turkish security forces. The incident has outraged Kurds throughout the region.

“We will not recognize state institutions in this region. We hereby declared that we manage ourselves,” Kula said.

http://asbarez.com/138919/pkk-declares-autonomous-region-in-turkeys-dersim-province/

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Dear members, what is all this bickering about what the Kurds have done in the past all about? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaking national hero Sebastaci Murad was an ethnic Kurd? Nevertheless, notwithstanding the role and atrocities committed by Kurds during the Armenian Genocide and well before that as well against the Armenian population of Western Armenia, I say that the struggle of the Kurds against the Turks today is our struggle. If Kurds win and manage to establish their own state, a fragmented Turkey is one that poses a diminished threat to Armenia's existence. If Turkey crushes the Kurds, then we have a powerful, intact Turkey to deal with, and that's going to make our job much more complicated. Indeed, sandwiched between Azerbaijan, you could say we're a sitting duck if it weren't for certain geopolitical and external factors that in effect serve as safeguards for Armenia's existence.

Don't get ahead of yourselves, but god willing if the Kurds do manage to break off and end up laying claims to Western Armenia, the fact of the matter is we're going to have better chances of getting them back from Kurds than the Turks. 2nd, my appetite isn't as big as some of yours, but I see Kars, Ardahan, Mount Ararat, and perhaps even a small outlet to the black see as a done deal in the event that there's a repeat of events in Turkey that we saw in Iraq and Syria. Moreover, these areas are not heavily inhabited so it would not be a headache. Just imagine that. We really don't need van and areas further south and west where millions of Kurds inhabit, at least not immediately. Don't forget we still have artsakh and the surrounding areas to develop and populate.

Now, we wait and see how things play out...

[Vrej1915]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Do know your history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastatsi_Murad