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  • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

    They also claim parts of Iran, lol.
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    • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

      Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
      They also claim parts of Iran, lol.
      Untill the creation of Iraki kurdish entity after 2003, the Iranian provinces were the only ones named Kurdistan...

      If we exept the infamous "red kurdistan" of the 1920-s...

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      • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

        Iran giving no land to Kurds.......they called it Kurdistan just means the Iranian Kurds live there.

        "stan" after a name means Provence of Iran.
        B0zkurt Hunter

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        • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia



          Stan is an indo european suffix, we use it as well, as do indians, etc...
          It means country of...

          Hayastan, Barsgastan, Russastan...

          In Hindi
          Pakistan...

          By contamination from farsi, turkic languages of central asia did adopt it, since under farsi influence or farsi components like:
          Turkestan, Turkmenstan, Uzbekstan, Tajikistan (essentially persian ethnos, non turkic)...

          So, no need to change what is a largely used suffix in the larger region.
          Now what Iran does or not is an other affair...

          Part of the answer is in the farsi identity and hegemenic perseption.
          For Persians, Kurds are just part of them, and are supposed to remain so. Factually it is true, that the kurds are more related to persians, than any other....

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          • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

            Two soldiers and a policeman were killed in attacks carried out by the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in Turkey’s southeast on Dec. 5, the Hurriyet Daly News reports quoting security sources as saying.
            tert.am

            PKK militants shelled a car carrying soldiers in plain clothes with long-barreled weapons in Şırnak province’s Cizre district, killing two soldiers and injuring two others.

            Meanwhile, in the central Sur district of the city of Diyarbakır, PKK militants shot and heavily wounded a policeman, who later succumbed to his injuries in Dicle University Hospital, according to the Diyarbakır Governor’s Office and security sources.

            The head of the Diyarbakır Bar Association, Tahir Elçi, and two police officers were killed in Sur on Nov. 28.

            Security forces declared a curfew in six neighborhoods of the Sur district on Dec. 2 amid operations targeting the PKK.

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            • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

              Turkey's Erdogan: Demirtas Kurdish autonomy plea is 'treason'
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              Recep Tayyip Erdogan (left) has warned Mr Demirtas he would be "taught a lesson"

              Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has condemned as "treason" a call by prominent Kurdish politician Selahattin Demirtas for Kurdish autonomy.
              "What the co-leader has done is treason, provocation," Mr Erdogan said, referring to Mr Demirtas, co-leader of the Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP).
              At the weekend the HDP and other pro-Kurdish groups called for self-rule in Turkey's mainly Kurdish south-east.

              Turkish prosecutors have launched an investigation into those comments.
              The Turkish military has stepped up operations against the rebel Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which is fighting for Kurdish self-rule. The army says it has killed more than 200 PKK militants in the latest fighting.
              The PKK is regarded as a "terrorist" organisation by Turkey, the US and EU.

              'Challenging the constitution'
              The HDP won 59 seats in Turkey's 550-seat parliament in the 1 November elections. It came third, behind Mr Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AKP) and the Republican People's Party (CHP).
              Speaking on Tuesday, Mr Erdogan said Mr Demirtas and other Kurdish leaders would be "taught a lesson" by the people and the law.
              He accused Mr Demirtas of challenging Article 14 of the constitution, which bans activities deemed to "violate the indivisible integrity of the state".
              On Sunday Mr Demirtas backed a declaration by a Kurdish umbrella group - the Democratic Society Congress (DTK) - which called for "autonomous regions" and "self-governance bodies".

              Little room to talk about rights - Rengin Arslan, BBC Turkish:
              After 30 years of fighting between Turkish security forces and PKK militants, there has been little progress on the Kurdish issue.
              The AKP has taken some steps towards improving the cultural rights of the Kurds, including on the official use of the Kurdish language, during its 13-year rule. But many of the Kurds' demands, such as the right to an education in Kurdish, have not been met.
              Self-rule has been discussed for decades. The idea is now being promoted by a legitimate political party, the HDP, and the umbrella organisation DTK.
              But with the recent upsurge in fighting in Turkey's mainly Kurdish south-east - with government-imposed curfews and Kurdish militias fighting in the streets - there is little room to talk about rights.
              The declaration, issued in the mainly Kurdish city of Diyarbakir, said the "rightful resistance" of Kurds against Turkish state policies "is essentially a demand and struggle for local self-governance and local democracy".
              It called for the "formation of autonomous regions, to involve several neighbouring provinces in consideration of cultural, economic and geographic affinities".
              The PKK has been battling the Turkish military for three decades, in a separatist conflict that has killed more than 40,000 people.

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              • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                Kurds openly demanding autonomy; interestingly enough, it comes after the visit of Demirtas to Moscow; things appear to be heating up, fast...I hope and pray they spiral out of control and fast!
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                Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused the leader of the country’s pro-Kurdish party of being a traitor and vowed to crush its separatist aims.

                Erdogan’s unprecedentedly harsh attack on HDP co-chairman Selahattin Demirtas didn’t bode well for any hopes of resuming peace talks with autonomy-seeking Kurdish rebels. Confrontations between the rebels and the government have intensified since HDP representatives won parliamentary seats for the first time in June elections.

                è Selahattin Demirtas
                square before the information Selahattin Demirtas Photographer: Adem Altan/AFP via Getty Images

                Erdogan said Demirtas’s demand over the weekend that Turkey declare autonomous regions was “treason” and warned that the Kurdish leader may face legal consequences.




                “Where do you get the right to talk about establishing a state in east and southeast regions within Turkey’s unitary structure? Such a thing won’t be allowed by the national will or the security forces,” Erdogan said Tuesday in Istanbul. “These operations will continue until terrorism is completely eradicated in our country.”

                Investigation Opened

                Prosecutors in Diyarbakir and Ankara have opened an investigation into six people including Demirtas, state-run Anadolu news agency reported late Monday. The Ministry of Justice is preparing to ask parliament to lift his parliamentary immunity and that of two other lawmakers, it said.

                The Turkish government has taken an increasingly hawkish stance against rebels since the June vote, in which the ruling AK party briefly lost its parliamentary majority because of the HDP’s strong showing. A three-year lull in fighting between government forces and Kurdish rebel group PKK broke down following the election, and Turkish jets have since struck militants across the border with Iraq.

                Clashes intensified last month, with thousands of troops backed by armored vehicles and helicopters fighting PKK members in southeast cities. Erdogan said Tuesday that the number of rebels killed inside and outside Turkey exceeded 3,000. He didn’t give a time frame for the toll.




                While AKP regained majority rule in a repeat election last month, Kurdish rebels have tried to create de facto autonomous areas in southeast cities, leading to urban warfare with government troops. Kurdish political and civil groups met over the weekend in Diyarbakir, where Demirtas called for an end to the fighting and urged a government declaration of Kurdish self-rule, including the establishment of autonomous security and police forces.

                The government and Erdogan have repeatedly accused HDP of maintaining ties with the PKK, saying the party should distance itself from the rebel group. HDP denies that it’s the political arm of a terrorist organization, while refusing to label the PKK as such.

                PKK, considered a terrorist group by Turkey, the U.S. and EU, has been fighting for Kurdish self-rule in Turkey’s southeast and eastern regions since 1984. Their separatist campaign and the Turkish government’s response have claimed the lives of an estimated 40,000 people.

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                • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                  Russia/Armenia needs to support the Kurds with the understanding that we own that region.

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                  • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                    YPG set to restore electricity in liberated Tishrin dam –
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                    Written by Chris Tomson on 05/01/2016

                    Today, spokesmen of the Kurdish militias ‘Syrian Democratic Forces’ (SDF) and ‘People’s Protection Units’ (YPG) announced they would restore electricity in the Tishrin dam region within the next two months. The area west of the Euphrates river has been heavily bombarded by coalition jets who have assisted Kurdish militias to combat the Islamic State (ISIS); However, many industrial buildings have been left in tatters due to airstrikes launched by the US-led anti-ISIS coalition. Therefore, much regional infrastructure is in desperate need of rebuilding.

                    Al-Masdar News A day before Christmas Eve, on the 23rd of December, Kurdish militants loyal to the YPG and SDF launched a massive offensive on the ISIS-held areas along the Euphrates river in the far east of Aleppo governorate. Since launching the offensive, more than 100 villages have been wrestled from ISIS militants who quickly fled the area after their first line of defence collapsed. Remarkably, Kurdish militants also rushed past the Jabal Ask Shaykh Inan mountains, crossed the Tishrin bridge, imposed full control over Tishrin and secured a buffer zone around the town. However, over the past few days, both positions have reached a stalemate.

                    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/...d-tishrin-dam/ | Al-Masdar News

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                    • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                      Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                      YPG set to restore electricity in liberated Tishrin dam –
                      Map update
                      Written by Chris Tomson on 05/01/2016

                      Today, spokesmen of the Kurdish militias ‘Syrian Democratic Forces’ (SDF) and ‘People’s Protection Units’ (YPG) announced they would restore electricity in the Tishrin dam region within the next two months. The area west of the Euphrates river has been heavily bombarded by coalition jets who have assisted Kurdish militias to combat the Islamic State (ISIS); However, many industrial buildings have been left in tatters due to airstrikes launched by the US-led anti-ISIS coalition. Therefore, much regional infrastructure is in desperate need of rebuilding.

                      Al-Masdar News A day before Christmas Eve, on the 23rd of December, Kurdish militants loyal to the YPG and SDF launched a massive offensive on the ISIS-held areas along the Euphrates river in the far east of Aleppo governorate. Since launching the offensive, more than 100 villages have been wrestled from ISIS militants who quickly fled the area after their first line of defence collapsed. Remarkably, Kurdish militants also rushed past the Jabal Ask Shaykh Inan mountains, crossed the Tishrin bridge, imposed full control over Tishrin and secured a buffer zone around the town. However, over the past few days, both positions have reached a stalemate.

                      http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/...d-tishrin-dam/ | Al-Masdar News
                      Yep sounds like the handy work of USA alright..bombing infrastructure and sending people a century backwards..
                      Hayastan or Bust.

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