Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[BZamanov]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Your making a statement followed by no reasons, I therefore do not accept it, and I have provided evidence for yezidis and you have not, the only reason Iran supports you is to counter Azerbaijan, and the ruski consulate in Erbil already stated that Russia will recognise an independent Kurdistan not that we are in a rush to declare independence.

We could also promote nationalism between Chaldeans and Assyrians but instead we open cultural and historical centers for them, let them teach their language in schools and provide financial assistance to build new churches.

I'm waiting for him to provide some evidence as well...

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The only reason why would want an independent Kurdistan is too piss off Turkey, I can't see any other reason. Add to everything the claims they are making on Western-Armenia.

Turkey is the biggest threat to the republic of Armenia. The policy that Turkey pursues is one aimed at Armenia's total destruction. Can you grasp that simple concept? Turkey is not a small neighbor like Georgia or Azerbaijan, it is a huge Republic with a powerful and modern armed forces, and continually beefs up its military. The only thing preventing Turkey from invading Armenia (as it had planned doing so in 1993) is the absence of the right circumstances (perhaps that being the absence of Russian troops on Armenia's territory).

Regardless of the past, the Kurds today are a key ingredient in the fragmentation of Turkey. A smaller Turkey is a weakened Turkey, and less of a threat and more manageable for Armenia. It's as simply as that. A Kurdish state is an element in solving the armenian question that must be used.

Don't get ahead of yourself, kurds laying claim to western Armenia. Lets get it out of Turkish hands, and then worry about Western Armenia. Even in such a case, if the Kurds were to occup and build a state on lands of western Armenia, such a Kurdish state would be FARRRR easier to deal with(in terms of hopes for getting the land back) than we have today against the large and powerful Turkish republic.

What would Armenia gain by supporting the creation of yet an other Western puppet that will be hostile against many of our allies aka Russia and Iran

What we could gain is the US dumping Turkey for it's new ally-Kurdistan- and awarding it lands from todays turkey.

[Mos]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Given that Turks eagerly participated in the Armenian Genocide and betrayed their Armenian neighbours, I don't see how they can be trusted. Just because we have a common enemy doesn't mean that they can't come back and bite us. Of course they will want to be "friends" with us when they want to achieve their own goal, but in the end I don't think we should trust them given the history. Kurds in Turkey should understand that they are living in our historic lands and through what means they were able to settle there more. We must always learn from history, not let false intentions get the better of us.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Dohuk, Nov. 9 (AKnews) – Yezidi Emir, Tahsin Saeid Bek has said that there will be no compromise on the Kurdish origins of the religious minority and has praised the Kurdistan Regional Government for officially recognizing Yezidi religious holidays. (http://www.aknews.com/en/aknews/1/194338/).

I think you answered that yourself:

Wouldn't a puppet agree to anything their master says?

Though, to be living amongst Kurds is a situation I wouldn't wish on any minority population.

[Armanen]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

As long as an independent kurdistan does not include Western Armenia, then it is not a major geopolitical issue for Armenia. Plus, Iran would handle itself just fine in a one on one stand off with the kurds. The Iranian military is in the top 3 of Middle eastern militaries, the kurds in N. Iraq have a long way to counter the Iranians militarily or even on the diplomatic front.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I don't care if you believe you'll be a tool for Western interest or not or what you think about Yezidis. The major point is that IF Kurdistan becomes independent it will bring instability and more hostility in the region and will be hostile towards two of our major allies.

Your making a statement followed by no reasons, I therefore do not accept it, and I have provided evidence for yezidis and you have not, the only reason Iran supports you is to counter Azerbaijan, and the ruski consulate in Erbil already stated that Russia will recognise an independent Kurdistan not that we are in a rush to declare independence.

We could also promote nationalism between Chaldeans and Assyrians but instead we open cultural and historical centers for them, let them teach their language in schools and provide financial assistance to build new churches.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Armenian support is insignificant, we don't need it... what I'm saying is that people wrongly look at kurds and say they only have western interests in mind where as in reality we have our interests in mind, for example one of the biggest oil companies to invest in Kurdistan is actually Chinese!

China’s Sinopec has agreed to a $7.2 billion takeover of Switzerland-based oil company Addax, which has interests in Africa and the oil frontier of Iraqi Kurdistan.

Sinopec, one of China’s biggest oil companies, is buying Addax in a deal that would be the country’s largest ever outbound investment in the oil and gas sector.

http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/china-eye/2009_06_29/addax_switzerland_takeover_to_take_sinopec_china_into_iraqi_kurdistan.html

If the US needs us, we also need them and therefore it's mutual interests and we don't say yes to whatever the US sais.

I don't care if you believe you'll be a tool for Western interest or not or what you think about Yezidis. The major point is that IF Kurdistan becomes independent it will bring instability and more hostility in the region and will be hostile towards two of our major allies.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I suggest you read: Destination Iraqi Kurdistan: Manoyan Talks about ARF Suleimanieh Trip

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2010/06/17/destination-iraqi-kurdistan-manoyan-talks-about-arf-suleimanieh-trip/

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The moment you are independent they don't "need" you anymore and you will need them for weapons and money because you'll have more than enough enemies. However you will be representing Western interests in the region that will be against the interests of Armenia and its allies. I don't see why Armenia or any Armenian would support the destabilization of the whole region and screw over its allies?

Armenian support is insignificant, we don't need it... what I'm saying is that people wrongly look at kurds and say they only have western interests in mind where as in reality we have our interests in mind, for example one of the biggest oil companies to invest in Kurdistan is actually Chinese!

China’s Sinopec has agreed to a $7.2 billion takeover of Switzerland-based oil company Addax, which has interests in Africa and the oil frontier of Iraqi Kurdistan.

Sinopec, one of China’s biggest oil companies, is buying Addax in a deal that would be the country’s largest ever outbound investment in the oil and gas sector.

http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/china-eye/2009_06_29/addax_switzerland_takeover_to_take_sinopec_china_into_iraqi_kurdistan.html

If the US needs us, we also need them and therefore it's mutual interests and we don't say yes to whatever the US sais.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Wouldn't a puppet agree to anything their master says?

Talabani to Obama: Drop Dead

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, one of America's closest allies in the country, has rebuffed the personal request of President Obama and Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to relinquish his post as Iraqis form a new government in Baghdad.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2010/11/govt1764.htm

The yanks need our political assistance in the central government to counter the Shia Arab radicals, so it's a mutual interest.

The moment you are independent they don't "need" you anymore and you will need them for weapons and money because you'll have more than enough enemies. However you will be representing Western interests in the region that will be against the interests of Armenia and its allies. I don't see why Armenia or any Armenian would support the destabilization of the whole region and screw over its allies?