Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian policy)

[Tigranakert]

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A good example of the tactics of propaganda of the Western media is the way they repport the Russian State Duma Elections today. All the major headlines in the Netherlands have been negative about 1) the elections 2) about Putin. Headlines like "If Putin remains, Russians will leave". "Dirtiest elections since fall of Soviet-Union", "United Russia, the party of crooks and thieves" (and if you read article, it says in small letters that the title is giving by Golos, which receives more than 90% of it's funds by the US).

In the articles, 1/5 is presenting facts about the elections, 4/5th of the articles consists of anti-Putin, anti-government and opposition members. Of the three articles I read today, not one article gave a pro-United Russia voter a chance to speak.

It's actually very easy to see, what is good for Russia, is bad for Europe. Thus, this means that Putin actually is a big threat to Europe, that Putin actually is good for Russia, or else the immense propaganda campaign against him would not happen.

These are the tactics of Western media, they only care what is in their interests, and today, the small opposition in Russia is in their interest, and they will present them as the majority to the world, even though they are the minority. As undemocratically they are, they will not give a voice to the pro-United Russia voters, and will distort the facts and display a biased image of the internal politics in Russia.

I can easily state that more than 60% of the Russians I spoke, were in favor of Putin. I can easily state that more than 80% of the Russian youth I know, were in favor of Putin. Most of them know that Putin has brought stability and unity in Russia, as it once was ruled by corrupt bribed officials by the West and the country was in chaos. Most of them know that the defective form of democracy as the West wants to introduce in Russia will ruin the country. Most of them know that the fundamental problem within Russia is the Russian mentality itself, which needs time for evolution, and that only a strong "feared" leader as Putin can keep stability in the country of sharks.

Solution:

Sophisticated form of "democracy", actually imitating the West. What does this mean? Currently, Vladimir Putin is the face, he can be easily attacked and the masses can be easily exploited to make use of this situation. He wants to drag Russia out of the mess of the last couple of years. Every positive and negative thing can be linked to him.

What Russia needs is a sophistication of politics, this means that there should be multiple parties, left, centre and right-wing, whose "leaders" are just puppets who can easily be switched, but where the real power remains hidden from public and all the power behind the scenes of both the left, centre and right-wing parties actually belongs to one and single group. For example, this is the case in the USA. The people have the chance for a fake outlet, called the elections, and they can choose between the Democrats and the Republicans, the president switches face every four years (Bush, Obama, Billie), but the people who are in control remain in their positions behind the scenes.

This is the ideal situation for the long-term stability and prosperity of a country. In such a way, the propaganda campaign will be limited and thus foreign countries will not be able to exploit the masses and direct the negative propaganda to one single person.

This is also the way forward for Armenia, only this takes times and as it is a sophisticated long-term process. I actually believe this is easier to accomplish in Armenia than in the current state of Russia. I personally know that at je-wish congresses world wide, leftists, rightist, centre, pink, blue, red je-ws all come together to discuss their long-term goals and ambitions, they all work towards one goal.

Why does Vladimir Putin still want to come back into power, and not use the sophistication of politics-scheme? There can only be one reason; the situation of Russia at this moment is too fragile, there are too many sharks and Russia is not stable enough.

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Armenians have to understand that it's all about the self-interest point of view. Armenians must not be brainwashed into thinking that Europe stands for prosperity, human rights, justice, etc., as this will be dangerous because looking at the self-interest point of view, Armenia has nothing to offer to Europe and the West would be glad to sell Armenia within two nano-seconds. As soon as Armenians ruin the strategic relationship with Russia (fueled by the West), we can kiss goodbye to the short-lived independent Republic of Armenia.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

European branch of International Crisis Group sides with Turkey and Azerbaijan



Director of European Programme for the International Crisis Group (ICG) Sabina Fraser, apparently very concerned about the obvious and strong freezing of Armenian-Turkish. The concern was so great that Fraser has found it necessary again to speak with his usual "recipe" as a settlement of this issue and Nagorno-Karabakh. She stated that in order for all the protocols were put to a vote the Turkish parliament, needed "some progress in the Karabakh conflict."

"While the legal relationship between the two issues and not - honestly Fraser - in practice tied to Turkey for political reasons. Ankara did not allow definition of what it means by" progress. "However, underneath, you can probably understand signing of the basic principles of Nagorno-Karabakh or the beginning of the withdrawal of Armenian forces from one or two of the occupied territories around Nagorno-Karabakh. " Adding that "withdrawal can dramatically change the entire regional dynamics for peace and development," Fraser has once again publicly subscribed to native support for Turkish position.

Moreover, just as publicly confessed expert ICG in their own ignorance, saying that, he says, "neither Armenia nor Nagorno-Karabakh has never laid claim to sovereignty over these territories, as Fizuli."

To begin with, that the notes are present representative of the Crisis Group, several pitfalls and deliberate distortion of reality. Own dream of Madame Fraser is trying to impose on the Armenian society, creating a false impression of the reader that in Armenia are ready, if not all, of much, if only Ankara agreed to ratify the Protocols. Not to recall the recent "unobtrusive" hint of Turkey to the fact that, say, returning a couple of areas, Armenia, Azerbaijan would allow the "save face". Here and there the same Fraser - get "one or two area" (or even specifically calls - what it is in the first place), and Turkey might deign to think about how to put the Minutes on the discussion in Parliament. "The Exchange", needless to say, very "equivalent." For some reason, highly experienced expert and does not occur, that progress in resolving the Karabakh conflict can be a very different kind - for example, the international recognition of Artsakh. Or return to the negotiating table Stepanakert. But it's certainly not for the "crisis" ladies ...

As for the illiterate STATEMENT FRASER that "neither Armenia nor Nagorno-Karabakh has never laid claim to sovereignty over these territories, as Fizuli", advise her to take a closer look at least from official documents that are directly relevant to that question, in which she pompously styles himself an expert. Namely, the Constitution of the Republic of Artsakh, Article 142 which reads: "To restore the integrity of the state territory of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and clarifying boundaries public power is exercised in the territory actually under the jurisdiction of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic."

It would be nice to the expert before making peremptory and with misleading statements, and review the position of the overwhelming majority of Armenian political, social and other organizations, politicians, experts, journalists, numerous public opinion polls, the mood of social networking sites, just the citizens of Armenia and Artsakh - and the issue of both the protocol and territories of Artsakh. Then she would have made sure that the position of the Armenian society in both countries with respect to fixed by the Constitution and reintegrated territories of the NKR-valued and radically contrary to its own "expert" views about the issue.

However, by the revelations of partisan Fraser had long been accustomed to and relate. First of all, for the simple reason that a true expert must be competent in the issues dealt with. But ignorance does this "expert" primitive political lobbyist. In the case of Sabina Fraser - lobbyist for oil companies, strongly pro-Turkish push-solution of the Armenian issue and have nothing to do with global interests of not only Armenian, but also the whole region.

[Mos]

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here is one of the superagents behind most of the revolutions. After successful color revolutions in Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan, she moved to Armenia in 2008. So far she is failing overall but she is doing everything to mess up the country from inside.
and for the PEOPLE IN UNITED KINGDOM(retro, londontsi,). WAKE UP. STOP WATCHING BBC, FOX AND ALL THOSE BULLS*IT. OPEN YOUR EYES AND REALIZE WATS GOING ON.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_L._Yovanovitch

she's not the ambassador any-more.

[haysip]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

here is one of the superagents behind most of the revolutions. After successful color revolutions in Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan, she moved to Armenia in 2008. So far she is failing overall but she is doing everything to mess up the country from inside.
and for the PEOPLE IN UNITED KINGDOM(retro, londontsi,). WAKE UP. STOP WATCHING BBC, FOX AND ALL THOSE BULLS*IT. OPEN YOUR EYES AND REALIZE WATS GOING ON.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_L._Yovanovitch

[retro]

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Is this a joke? Are you asking me to provide evidence that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasus? This is hilarious, haha! Have you been living on earth the last couple of years or on the moon? We'll, I think someone here missed the coloured revolution which took place in Georgia, and someone here missed the coupe d'etat that almost took place in 2008, supported by Western media and agents (using the experiences in Ukraine, Georgia etc.).

Whilst it's certainly true that the West isn't above meddling in Russia's sphere. This is idle conjecture and what actual evidence do you have that the Wests agents are inciting some kind of a coloured revolution in Armenia?

Personally I doubt that the Wests clandestine efforts are focused, upon the Transcaucasus. As whilst it's true that Turkmenistan is a major source of natural gas and the Caspian is of strategical importance. The West has very little influence in South Caucasus and Western Asia. As whilst Georgia and Turkey are Western aligned, they are hardly Western nations. The Ukraine on the other hand is a basketcase and it is some what back in Russia's orb now anyway.

[Serjik]

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This must be one of the most mentally retarded things I have read in this board. Bro, you serious?

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

[Mos]

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Tigranakert

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

The involvement of the West in the coloured revolutions in several post-Soviet states is well known. Just research Soros and his financing of some of these coloured revolutions.

I don't think anybody here is being "doomsayer" - it's just being careful not to be to gullible in terms of believing the West's version of democracy and all of their influences are positive. It's also realising that the Western interests in our region involve our enemies.

[Tigranakert]

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Tigranakert

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

Is this a joke? Are you asking me to provide evidence that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasus? This is hilarious, haha! Have you been living on earth the last couple of years or on the moon? We'll, I think someone here missed the coloured revolution which took place in Georgia, and someone here missed the coupe d'etat that almost took place in 2008, supported by Western media and agents (using the experiences in Ukraine, Georgia etc.).

As Armenians, we have to deal with the difficulties of our nation, and taking into account the socio-economic circumstances you speak of, this is another point which we have to overcome and which in my view can be overcome. This however does not mean that certain forces are not exploiting the situation for their own benefits, and whose actions can do far greater damage to the Republic of Armenia and it's future, than the mere socio-economic conditions can do.

This is what the topic is all about.

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Tigranakert

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

[Tigranakert]

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the average armenian don't control armenian politics. A few selected oligarchs backed by Russia do. Even if the whole population think the West is their best friend, no one can do xxxx about it. Revolution my ass. Stop being so paranoid.

It's an irony making such a statement, knowing that for the past couple of years numerous countries have been conquered by the means I am stating. I am talking about Ukraine, I am talking about Georgia, I am talking about Serbia, I am talking about Armenia in 2008 and I am talking about dozens of more countries whose "masses" somehow did not have an influence.

We'll, they do. This is not an illusion, it's a fact. The negative and pessimist mentality being spread in Armenia and the information warfare will lead to the destruction of our newly-fledged nation, believe it or not. Your statement does not come as a surprise, as naivety has been one of our greatest characteristics for the last couple of centuries.

Russia does not care about who runs politics in Armenia (be it oligarchs, real nationalists, liberals, democrats, communists), they only care that the people in power remain loyal to the Russian alliance. Nation building is totally up to ourselves. And guess what, if the whole population is being brainwashed to think differently than our government, we are again xxxxed, as this will lead to confrontations, dividedness, pessmism, negativism and more emigration.

For Armenia to prosper, unity and stability is essential to work out our long-term goals. For this to be achieved, we still have great many difficulties to overcome.