Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian policy)

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

We'll, that's what it takes to counter them. If they are -10, you have to be +10, so the outcome is equal to 0.
You have to use the same dirty tricks and tactics as they are doing, and outsmart them.

That is the way of the monkey, imitate the guy opposite you.

However in order to win you have to be a smarter and stronger monkey.

Monkey you may be but smarter and stronger I doubt it.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

I can imagine just how jingoistic an "Unbiased pro-Armenian media outlet" run by you would be.

Sarkozy is a Zionist Jooz and he has merely being trying to use the Armenian genocide issue to admonish the Tork. He's also supporting intevention in Syria (very unlikely). In order to try to appear assertive to sure up his approval rating.

"If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing." - Napoleon Bonaparte

We'll, that's what it takes to counter them. If they are -10, you have to be +10, so the outcome is equal to 0. You have to use the same dirty tricks and tactics as they are doing, and outsmart them.

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Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

A good example:

Armenians need to understand that the West is only interested in their own interests. Which is logical, we shouldn't be emotional, and thus should only work together with them if it's in our own interests. We should not think that they will help Armenia, or care about Armenia, we should understand that they will only help us if it's in their own interest.

Russia acknowledges the Armenian genocide, and does not use such a brutal episode of mankind for their self-interest. The West has been using the Armenian genocide for decades, yet Armenians don't even complain about this. Idiot Sarkozy comes to Yerevan, says the word "genocide", and everybody loves France. Why? Because Armenians are emotional and because all of the pro-Western media in Armenia.

Now what happened. As usual, France has been playing a double game, as they don't really care about Armenia nor Armenians. Sarkozy has sent his foreign minister to Turkey to "apologise" and mentioned that he supports the establishment of a commission to investigate what really happened in the past, in essence he actually casts doubt on the veracity of the Armenian Genocide.

If France was Russia, hell would break lose. All the Western funded media in Armenia (over 50%), would make hundreds of articles of how Russia is backstabbing Armenia, how Russia has always been backstabbing Armenia, how Russia can not be trusted, etc. What happened now? Nothing, nobody cared about this.

This is, in essence, what is wrong. Such a thing should have been extensively reported in Armenian media, and the Armenian society should have known that France has been backstabbing us for centuries and is doing it also today.

Armenia needs to establish unbiased pro-Armenian media outlets, and through all other means, spread information to counter their destructive policy of brainwashing our society who are attacking important Armenian institutions. And unfortunately, the best way to counter these idiots, is to use the same propaganda tactics that they are using.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/84523/

I can imagine just how jingoistic an "Unbiased pro-Armenian media outlet" run by you would be.

Sarkozy is a Zionist Jooz and he has merely being trying to use the Armenian genocide issue to admonish the Tork. He's also supporting intevention in Syria (very unlikely). In order to try to appear assertive to sure up his approval rating.

"If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing." - Napoleon Bonaparte

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

A good example:

Armenians need to understand that the West is only interested in their own interests. Which is logical, we shouldn't be emotional, and thus should only work together with them if it's in our own interests. We should not think that they will help Armenia, or care about Armenia, we should understand that they will only help us if it's in their own interest.

Russia acknowledges the Armenian genocide, and does not use such a brutal episode of mankind for their self-interest. The West has been using the Armenian genocide for decades, yet Armenians don't even complain about this. Idiot Sarkozy comes to Yerevan, says the word "genocide", and everybody loves France. Why? Because Armenians are emotional and because all of the pro-Western media in Armenia.

Now what happened. As usual, France has been playing a double game, as they don't really care about Armenia nor Armenians. Sarkozy has sent his foreign minister to Turkey to "apologise" and mentioned that he supports the establishment of a commission to investigate what really happened in the past, in essence he actually casts doubt on the veracity of the Armenian Genocide.

If France was Russia, hell would break lose. All the Western funded media in Armenia (over 50%), would make hundreds of articles of how Russia is backstabbing Armenia, how Russia has always been backstabbing Armenia, how Russia can not be trusted, etc. What happened now? Nothing, nobody cared about this.

This is, in essence, what is wrong. Such a thing should have been extensively reported in Armenian media, and the Armenian society should have known that France has been backstabbing us for centuries and is doing it also today.

Armenia needs to establish unbiased pro-Armenian media outlets, and through all other means, spread information to counter their destructive policy of brainwashing our society who are attacking important Armenian institutions. And unfortunately, the best way to counter these idiots, is to use the same propaganda tactics that they are using.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/84523/

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Yes the problem is much deeper to solve because,

Republican Party is infested with oligarchs and businessmen breaking all rules of the electoral laws.
The President despite having strong executive powers wouldn't dare use them to curtail abuses of the law because his survival in power would be at risk.
He is "allied" to one of the most (in)famous oligarchs in order to stay in power.

It is ridicules to even talk about evolution since some of the abuses can be rectified by executive order of the President.

The ironic thing is that since none of the illegalities have been rectified (during SS Presidency) this oligarch can now
move to HHG ( new alliance) and pursue power and protect its interests at the expense of the country and its people.

It may come to a shock to you, but not only the republican party has oligarchs in it's ranks, but this accounts for all the major political parties in Armenia. The government is a good reflection of the Armenian society today. And because of this, the president has to play a very difficult game of chess, which he is doing right now. This belongs to the topic of "evolution", and again has nothing to do with the topic of the discussion in here, as I said, you missed the whole point.

I repeat, the problem is deeper than for our government to fight corruption, dilute the role of oligarchy, etc., as this is a long-term process, and is relatively never ending. If the president succeeds to dismantle the monopolies in some sectors (like telecommunications), significantly improve the rule of law and the justice department, significantly improve the business climate, there always will be ways for the anti-Armenian Western-funded media to find something negative to complain about and increase pessimism and negativism in Armenian society. Even if everyone in the future has a house and a job, the masses can still be influenced by their propaganda (which we see in a lot of other, much richer nations, too).

You don't counter this phenomenon by only improving the rule of law and governance, especially not if you know that it's going to take a long-term process. Armenia and Armenians need to proactively participate in the information warfare. What we are doing today, is as I said, collective destructionism. The mentality of Armenians needs to change, we need more unbiased pro-Armenian media platforms, to counter the brainwashing activities of all those anti-Armenian Western funded media, we need to develop our own propaganda machine based on Western experiences. We need to do all we can to prevent them of gaining any sort of power in Armenian governmental structures.

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

As usual, you missed the whole point Mr. I prefer to be called London than any other Armenian name (which says a lot about yourself).

You have a way of lowering the tone of a debate.
Not sure if it is a defence mechanism or what?

The problem is deeper than for our government to fight corruption, dilute the role of oligarchy, etc., as this is a long-term process, and is relatively never ending (do you understand this?).

Yes the problem is much deeper to solve because,

Republican Party is infested with oligarchs and businessmen breaking all rules of the electoral laws.
The President despite having strong executive powers wouldn't dare use them to curtail abuses of the law because his survival in power would be at risk.
He is "allied" to one of the most (in)famous oligarchs in order to stay in power.

It is ridicules to even talk about evolution since some of the abuses can be rectified by executive order of the President.

The ironic thing is that since none of the illegalities have been rectified (during SS Presidency) this oligarch can now
move to HHG ( new alliance) and pursue power and protect its interests at the expense of the country and its people.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

LOL LOL

Do you really want to be taken seriously, I mean logically.

As usual, you missed the whole point Mr. I prefer to be called London than any other Armenian name (which says a lot about yourself). The problem is deeper than for our government to fight corruption, dilute the role of oligarchy, etc., as this is a long-term process, and is relatively never ending (do you understand this?).

The problem to fight the anti-Armenian propaganda and information warfare, the pessimism and negativism, needs other more sophisticated tools. But it is logical, that you do not understand this concept, as you are you.

As usual, you take one sentence, don't put it into context and make a useless comment, again diluting this topic.
Let me be Londonatsi for a second:

Pakistanis will want to have a say in our affairs.

LOL, LOL, ROFL, OMG, LOL, QML, XOZ, RAL, RWI (what is this anyway?)

Are you serious, Pakistanis? You are so stupid.

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Yes, really constructive way to discuss...

[londontsi]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

That's not the way forward. Those things are logical .......

LOL LOL

Do you really want to be taken seriously, I mean logically.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

Never forget vermin thrive and multiply in the right (suitable ) environment.

The best way to kill off the vermin is to deprive them of the environment.

I think the way forward is,

Fight corruption by the Government (from within),
Dilute the role of the oligarchs in the economy,
Strengthen the functioning of the legal system,
Continuously develop and strengthen good governance,
Introduce laws and taxation for a balanced economy,
Encourage a significant layer of middle class,

Allowing opportunities for the people to be rewarded, develop and participate in the strengthening of the economy.

Otherwise not only the UK but also the US and the Turks even the Pakistanis will want to have a say in our affairs.

That's not the way forward. Those things are logical into state-building, and are happening now. The process of evolution in Armenia has been continuing on a steady pace, and Armenia is by far the most stable and democratic country with the largest opposition in the Caucasus. Taxes, governance, legal system, fight against corruption are being tackled.

The point is that easily more than half of the media in Armenia are sponsored by foreign countries, and their aim is to find everything that is a bit negative related to Armenia and the Armenian state, and exploit it to raise the pessimism and negativism in Armenia. Besides this, their aim is also to destroy everything that had a good reputation in Armenia, for example the Armenian army. The propaganda negative anti-Armenian pessimist waged against Armenians is immense, and a lot of Armenians contribute in this without their own knowledge.

They are being brainwashed into believing that Armenia can skip evolution, if Armenia cut's ties with Russia and orientate itself towards the West, Armenia will be a paradise within two days, and that the West will always help Armenia, economically, politically and military. It's a big lie, which the masses easily believe, as the propaganda has been going on for a decade now. This is one of the biggest dangers facing our country today.

Today, the biased media and NGO's have free play, they can do whatever they want. There aren't any other media or institutions to counter their propaganda and to counter the pessimistic flow of information to demoralize Armenians. They know Armenians are emotional and are not nationalistic, thus they can easily attack our whole army, with almost no resistence from the Armenian society, for they know, we are not Turks, and we will happily aid into destroying our own-country.

Today, most Armenians would happily contribute into the negative stream of information and pessimism, would rather talk bad about our country, than to say something good. This is the point we have reached. Collective destructionism.

The Turks, when Turkey was still a dictatorial desert, came to Europe, and never complained and said anything bad about their country. They did not assimilate, used Europe, and sent all their money to Turkey, built houses, made investments (even though there was MASSIVE corruption), and see what Turkey has become now. Armenians coming to Europe, hate Armenia, tell everyone how bad our country is, tell other Armenians especially not to go to Armenia, never to try anything in Armenia, and to spread the word to the whole world that Armenia sucks, is corrupt, etc.

And to their children growing up, they cut off their hopes, and also raise them into anti-Armenian Armenians, even though most Armenians have not been in Armenia, 90% of the youth hates it, without seeing it, because Armenians like to be negative and pessimist, and don't understand they actually destroy our future with this. All this also has to do with the massive, massive anti-Armenian propaganda of today. Hell, have you ever been on a table with Armenians in general? The only thing they are doing is trying to find everything that is a bit negative about Armenia and say how sh*t Armenia is, so they can feel good and justify why they are not living in Armenia and instead are living in a foreign country, and why their children are married to foreigners and have assimilated.

The little part of Armenia that is remaning today, is because of the extremely small minority of Armenians who did care about their country.

If we don't turn collective destructionism (xxxx Armenia, it's a sh*t country, corrupt, let's leave and spread the word how bad it is) into collective state-building (indeed, there are many problems in Armenia, but it's a new republic, it's our country and the little part that is left to Armenians, and it needs evolution, let's help to fight the corruption, let's help in the state-building, let's invest Armenia, how hard it may be, so we can create an Armenia all Armenians dream of), the future of Armenia will look very grim.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian polic

The attack by foreign mercenaries on Armenian institutions continues:

Western-financed anti-Armenia civil assembly vs. army in Armenia

November 25, 2011 | 20:25
VANADZOR. – Authorized representatives of Helsinki Civil Assembly Vanadzor Office Artak Zeynalyan and Arayik Ghazaryan turned to the Constitutional Court on Wednesday for recognizing invalid certain points of the law on State secret.

The complaint certifies that executive and legislative bodies are authorized not to provide certain confidential information, at the same time they can posses it according to the law on State and Service secret.

Representatives turned to the Court based on the note by the Armenian MOD, in response to Helsinkyan Civil Assembly Vanadzor Office request.

The organization asked for information on how many servicemen died in 2009 in Armed Forces, and their personal data from the Ministry on February 10 last year. However, in response to the request, the Ministry on February 20 last year stated that information is unavailable, referring to the law.

The organization filed a lawsuit against the Ministry’s right not to provide information in the Administrative Court. Courts rejected the file and complaints by referring to the law and regulations of State secret.

http://news.am/eng/news/83370.html