Agriculture

[Haykakan]

Re: Agriculture

Are figgs and potatos not agricultural products? This concept can be used with all agricultural products and all other products. The economic principles work for everyone who is willing to use them-thus if the will is there yes it will work. Finding the political will is another story. No the relations between Armenia and Turkey are not like those of a couple EU countries but you dont need to be at that level of relations just to trade. The benefits of trade are very much real but the answers to ethical questions are not as simple thus i say yes economicaly relations with Turky make sence for Armenia but politicaly and ethicaly well these are very different issues. Anyways i gota get some sleep-bari gisher.

[Vahram]

Re: Agriculture

But once again, do you really believe this can work for Turkey/Armenia?????

For toorky he can work double time and still achieve less then he is doing now...

[Vrej1915]

Re: Agriculture

I cannot say what will or will not happen. What i can say is that there is much to be gained economicaly but there are more then economic issues here and i in no way suggest to ignore them. I will try to explain comparative advantage though if you really do want to see how Armenia can benefit from trade with Turky and vice versa. The point that is important to understand is that you do not have to be better then the turk at anything in order to gain by trading with them. Lets start with agricultural example since it is the title of this thread. Agricultural land is limited for both countries (scarce resources principle) Lets say Turky makes 6 tons of potato and 4 tons of figgs. Now lets say Armenia can only make 2 tons of potatos and 2 tons of figgs. Notice how Turky can make more of each thing then Armenia by itself. The thing that is important here is that due to the limited nature of agricultural land(scarcity) Turky will be better off to just make potato and let Armenia make all the figgs. The reason for doing so is opportunity cost(what you must give up to get something else). The opportunity cost for Turky to make 1 ton of fig is 1.5 tons of potatos. The opportunity cost for Armenia to make one ton of fig is one tone of potato. As you can see even when Turky is better then Armenia at making both things but since it is better at making potatos then figgs and Armenia is as good at making potatos as figgs - it will be more efficient if Turky made all the potatos and Armenia made all the figgs and they trade. By doing this they will actually both be able to produce and consume more of both potatos and figgs. Specialization is all about doing what you are comparably best at and since Armenia has lower opportunity cost then Turky at making figgs-it has a comparative advantage over Turky at making figgs while Turky has a comparable advantage at making potatos over Armenia. Since each side is doing what they are most efficient at doing-there will be more figgs and potatos for both given the same amount of land they both had to start with. I hope this makes sense to you now.

Dear,
Now that you explained me for the third time the same basics of free trade economics, I guarantee you I did understand the principle!!
I understand perfectly.
Perfectly.
100% Garantee.

This works in EU, this works between US and China, in the ASEAN, the MERCOSUR, etc..., no problem!

But once again, do you really believe this can work for Turkey/Armenia?????


And once again, since we are on agriculture:
Just one example???

[Haykakan]

Re: Agriculture

I cannot say what will or will not happen. What i can say is that there is much to be gained economicaly but there are more then economic issues here and i in no way suggest to ignore them. I will try to explain comparative advantage though if you really do want to see how Armenia can benefit from trade with Turky and vice versa. The point that is important to understand is that you do not have to be better then the turk at anything in order to gain by trading with them. Lets start with agricultural example since it is the title of this thread. Agricultural land is limited for both countries (scarce resources principle) Lets say Turky makes 6 tons of potato and 4 tons of figgs. Now lets say Armenia can only make 2 tons of potatos and 2 tons of figgs. Notice how Turky can make more of each thing then Armenia by itself. The thing that is important here is that due to the limited nature of agricultural land(scarcity) Turky will be better off to just make potato and let Armenia make all the figgs. The reason for doing so is opportunity cost(what you must give up to get something else). The opportunity cost for Turky to make 1 ton of fig is 1.5 tons of potatos. The opportunity cost for Armenia to make one ton of fig is one tone of potato. As you can see even when Turky is better then Armenia at making both things but since it is better at making potatos then figgs and Armenia is as good at making potatos as figgs - it will be more efficient if Turky made all the potatos and Armenia made all the figgs and they trade. By doing this they will actually both be able to produce and consume more of both potatos and figgs. Specialization is all about doing what you are comparably best at and since Armenia has lower opportunity cost then Turky at making figgs-it has a comparative advantage over Turky at making figgs while Turky has a comparable advantage at making potatos over Armenia. Since each side is doing what they are most efficient at doing-there will be more figgs and potatos for both given the same amount of land they both had to start with. I hope this makes sense to you now.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Agriculture

"As an expert, can't you just give me ONE Example, in real life???"
If you are asking me this question then you did not understand the concepts of comparative advantage and specialization. If you read and learn then you will understand or you can just keep poking fun at me and enjoy the bliss that ignorance has bestowed upon you. I know the second thing is a lot easier to do but the first thing is by far more rewarding.

Dear,
I think I can understand such basics.
But once again, those basics are EU standards....
Do you really think they do work in our case????

I mean honestly, propaganda and wishful thinking aside..., do you really believe it has a chance to happen???

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Once again if you permit:
A concrete example??? Just ONE ???

[Vrej1915]

Re: Agriculture

Conclusion
Finely it is in the best interest of the Great Powers of the day to bring the Turks and Armenians together instead of pitting them against each other but it may be too little and too late.

Dear if you permit, and with no offense:
You have a very wrong starting point here, too.
Since when it is the best interest of any big power to bring Armenians and Turks together??
At least since Berlin Conference, I taught their aim was just the opposite ???

[Haykakan]

Re: Agriculture

"As an expert, can't you just give me ONE Example, in real life???"
If you are asking me this question then you did not understand the concepts of comparative advantage and specialization. If you read and learn then you will understand or you can just keep poking fun at me and enjoy the bliss that ignorance has bestowed upon you. I know the second thing is a lot easier to do but the first thing is by far more rewarding.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Agriculture

I posted this paper which i wrote many years ago to show you that there is gains to be had economically by both sides and particularly by the armenian side. As you can see in my conclusion i also stressed that the border opening is not just a economic issue. Was no room for the abstract so i omitted that. You can poke fun and laugh all you like but some of us care enough to actually do some work on the matter. I do not mind discussion of issues but do keep your sarcasm and name calling to yourselves.

My Dear,
Sorry if I offended you.
Really sorry. I was not willing to offend you

The problem is:
You Affirm that this process is beneficial for us, while you justly begin "it seems"...
As I told you first hand, theory is good.
Nice.
Wonderful.... all you wish.
But if you are such well informed and confident on the subject, to produce this kind of work, can't you just give me one tangible example, where in real life we will benefit from this process??

I am not a scholar like you seem to be on the matter, but I can give you thousands of examples denying your hypothesis.
As an expert, can't you just give me ONE Example, in real life??? (no sarcasm here )

[Vahram]

Re: Agriculture

You can poke fun and laugh all you like but some of us care enough to actually do some work on the matter

You want a poke now or later? We are under blockade but with all the hardship, we are about to construct the North South railroad that is going to start the silk road again. To the point of having Georgia kiss your arse for the fist time since they stole your alphabet!

Some of you can go and send Santa a letter, instead of talking Sh!t all the time, it gets boring talking to you guys! It will always be empty, not matter what you say it is just empty. Don't you get tired of saying nothing all the time?

[Vahram]

Re: Agriculture

Nothing concrete

Concrete? Vrej I am disappointed in you! How could you ask a Liberal this kind of questions? Since when time immortal has a liberal ever had anything concrete let alone a point?