Should Turkey compensate-your thoughts?

[TomServo]

Extremists are beddy bad.

[bell-the-cat]

....Kurds much more openly proclaiming themselves and their culture...

That is the equivalent of farting in public.

[bell-the-cat]

yesterday on the newspaper i saw apicture of a Uzbek (uzbekistan or Ozbekistan) military jeep with a Turkish flag painted on the door...officials told Uzbegs to remove it (something is cooking) They dont tell us about supporting Turkic countries ... Also Russia had been complainig about Turkish support to Chechens (i dont know that in english) ...so i suppose you are right

And I doubt the Americans tell their citizens of the American troops in Georgia. Britons are certainly not told of the British troops that are also there (I only knew of the latter after watching a TV programme last night). And, unlike Chechnya and Turkey, nether America or Britain have any historical or ethnic connection to Georgia.

[winoman]

That is the equivalent of farting in public.

I find it rather sad that one would champion the exposure of one particular culture's attempted suppression of another while essentially defending and siding with that same cultures similar and ongoing effort to do such with a different culture...just because you are racist against them....

[bell-the-cat]

I find it rather sad that one would champion the exposure of one particular culture's attempted suppression of another while essentially defending and siding with that same cultures similar and ongoing effort to do such with a different culture...just because you are racist against them....

I've run the above through Babel Fish, but its translation is still as unclear as the original. Maybe they don't do double-dutch.

I am not racist against Kurds, I am against the "Kurdish bore", a type of bombastic, self-congratulatory Kurd that existed long before either the 1990s oppression or 2000s freedom.

[Armenian]

Discussions with Turks regarding the Armenian Genocide are senseless exercises in futility. Such debates, more often than not, degenerate to the point that it only serves to undermine the national ideology and cohesiveness of us Armenians. Nevertheless, the fundamental answer of all self-respecting Armenians to every single Turkic inquiry regarding Turko-Armenian relations is a simple one:

There was a historic crime perpetrated by Turks against the Armenian people that yet needs to be punished.

Since some of you here seem capable of varying degrees of rational thought, you should realize that all crimes, regardless of severity, needs to get punished accordingly. That is how the universal order works, that is how rational works, that is how human behavior works. Through my experiences, I have noticed that there are two fundamental types of Turks regarding their ideological approach to the Armenian Genocide.

The first type (most probably the majority): Is very satisfied with what happened to the Armenians during the First World War and, moreover, would not hesitate one bit at attempting it again (as we have seen on countless occasions during the past fifteen years). The other type (who is subservient to the first type): Just wants to "whitewash" and make "excuses" for what happened back then and wants us to move "forward."

I far as I am concerned, its simple folks: We move forward by punishing, sooner or later, the guilty nation that committed the barbaric crime - and this cannot happen by trying to "reconcile" with those who still wish us dead.

Speak to me about "reconciliation" with Turks when the Turkish state is reduced to rubble - then and only then will I even consider reconciliation with a Turk. As I keep repeating: "well meaning" Turks need to preach to their primitive brethren - NOT US. I, personally, do not want engage in futile practices such as "explaining" and "convincing" anything to any moron that does not know the obvious. The bottom line is: just a few decades ago there was a large Armenian population living within its aboriginal lands and, today - there are none.

[bell-the-cat]

I far as I am concerned, its simple folks: We move forward by punishing.

You have a bit of a fetish about this "punishing" thing. Should we be picturing you all dresssed up in S&M gear, leather bullwhip out, eager to start punishing someone, anyone.

[Armenian]

You have a bit of a fetish about this "punishing" thing. Should we be picturing you all dresssed up in S&M gear, leather bullwhip out, eager to start punishing someone, anyone.

I like to give pain, where pain is over due.

Sorry to disappoint you kittycat, I never was into S&M. But, I know that you WASPs are.

[CatWoman]

Ohhh noooo...
My compensation thread has turned into an S&M erotica thread!

[CatWoman]

Dashnaks Plan Shift In Genocide Recognition Effort


The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) plans a major shift in its decades-long campaign for international recognition of the Armenian genocide that will aim to hold modern-day Turkey accountable for the events of 1915-1918, it emerged on Friday.

Giro Manoyan, the spokesman for the pan-Armenian party’s governing Bureau, said that genocide recognition alone would not restore historic justice and that the international community should now “hold Turkey accountable” for the extermination of some 1.5 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.

“There is no longer a need to merely prove a historic fact,” Manoyan told RFE/RL. He indicated that this will be at the heart of a planned “adjustment” of the activities Dashnaktsutyun’s lobbying structures in the United States, Europe and elsewhere in the world.

Representatives of those structures began on Friday a two-day meeting to discuss the shift in the nationalist party’s emphases. The meeting took place behind the closed doors.

The policy change is in tune with one of the main tenets of Dashnaktsutyun which has never made secret of its desire to get Turkey to not only admit to the genocide but also pay material compensation to Armenia and descendants of genocide victims.

Earlier this year, Dashnaktsutyun accused the United States of prodding Turkey to recognize the genocide “without consequences.” Its leaders also want Yerevan to keep the door open for future territorial and financial claims to Ankara.

“We believe that Armenia is unable to make such demands today,” Manoyan told RFE/RL in April. “But this doesn’t mean that it will be unable to do so tomorrow.”

This stance contrasts with the official position of the Armenian government in which Dashnaktsutyun is represented with three ministers. “We are not talking about compensations, this is only about a moral issue,” President Robert Kocharian said recently.

Manoyan claimed on Friday that in seeking Turkish reparations the Armenians can count on the support of countries like France that want Turkey to address the genocide issue before joining the European Union. “Incidentally, these are the countries that have said ‘no’ to the EU constitution,” he said. “According to commentators in those countries, the ‘no’ vote was in large part due to the prospect of Turkey’s EU membership.”

However, neither France nor other EU nations that recognized the Armenian genocide have ever called for Turkish reparations. In a landmark 1987 resolution, the European Parliament stressed that “neither political nor legal or material claims against present-day Turkey can be derived from the recognition of this historical event as an act of genocide.”

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