Azeris in Iran

[Iranianazeri]

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I've always been confused about the difference between Iranians and Persians...

Iranian classically refers to all iranian peoples such as persians, parthians, medes, scythians and so on. Although today every citizen of iran is considered iranian "officially". Persians are the people who have dominated Iran, which means the land of the Aryans. But there have been other rulers to, for exaple the Parthian empire. This union of the aryan tribes were created around 500 BC by the persian King Cyrus II The Great, who crowned himself The King of Kings after that.

[ArmSurvival]

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Ah yes I completely forgot about the Parthians and Medians. Would you consider the Medians to be the ancestors of Azeris since their country corresponds with today's Iranian Azerbaijan? Because as far as I know, Azeris language is Turkic, but their history, customs, traditions and ancestors were predominantly Iranian.

[Էլիա]

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Iranian refers to a linguistic group, which has a common ethnography and customs/traditions/history. Persians are a sub-group of Iranians, mainly because Farsi is an Iranian language, but also because of their geographic location and history. Other Iranian groups include Kurds, Tajiks, and many groups in Iran such as Mazandaranis (south coast of the Caspian Sea), Balochs (southeast Iran), Lurs and Quashqai (west and southwestern Iran), and Ossetians (northern Georgia/southern Russia). There are more Iranian groups inside and outside Iran though.

Ancient Iranian groups include Scythians and Sarmatians. It is important to note, that all Iranians (including Persians) have called their country "Iran" for thousands of years. The rest of the world called it "Persia".

Maybe Iranianazeri can give you more information, or correct any errors I might have made.

Thanks ArmSurvival. I thought Iran = Persia... but now I understand.

[Iranianazeri]

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Iranian refers to a linguistic group, which has a common ethnography and customs/traditions/history. Persians are a sub-group of Iranians, mainly because Farsi is an Iranian language, but also because of their geographic location and history. Other Iranian groups include Kurds, Tajiks, and many groups in Iran such as Mazandaranis (south coast of the Caspian Sea), Balochs (southeast Iran), Lurs and Quashqai (west and southwestern Iran), and Ossetians (northern Georgia/southern Russia). There are more Iranian groups inside and outside Iran though.

Ancient Iranian groups include Scythians and Sarmatians. It is important to note, that all Iranians (including Persians) have called their country "Iran" for thousands of years. The rest of the world called it "Persia".

Maybe Iranianazeri can give you more information, or correct any errors I might have made.

That's totally correct, but with one exception: the qashqai are actually a turkic speaking people. Iran refers to all indo-iranian speaking peoples. But pan-iranists exclude indo-iranian peoples of india, pakistan and so on for their "empire". Those excluded are even called indo-aryan. The pan-iranists consider the azeris "turcified" iranians and at the same time pan-turkists consider azeris turk. It gets ridiculous sometimes. Azeris are simply the local people.

[Iranianazeri]

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Ah yes I completely forgot about the Parthians and Medians. Would you consider the Medians to be the ancestors of Azeris since their country corresponds with today's Iranian Azerbaijan? Because as far as I know, Azeris language is Turkic, but their history, customs, traditions and ancestors were predominantly Iranian.

That is true, we share the common zoroastrian culture (and shia too). Zarathustra was from iranian azerbaijan and his descendants lives among us

Medes are probably a part our ancestors. The kurds consider themselves medes.

[ArmSurvival]

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Oh, I didn't know the Qaushqai were Turkic-speakers, thanks for the clarification. Are they Turkic-speakers with Iranian roots, similar to the Azeris in Iran, or are they ethnic Turkmen or something?

And I've heard from knowledgable Iranians and the name Azerbaijan is actually the evolved version of the Iranian name "Atropatene", which was the name of the province during the Persian Empire, and means "land of fire" in Old Persian.

[Էլիա]

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That is true, we share the common zoroastrian culture (and shia too). Zarathustra was from iranian azerbaijan and his descendants lives among us

Medians are probably a part our ancestors. The kurds consider themselves medes.

Who is Zarathustra?

[Iranianazeri]

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Oh, I didn't know the Qaushqai were Turkic-speakers, thanks for the clarification. Are they Turkic-speakers with Iranian roots, similar to the Azeris in Iran, or are they ethnic Turkmen or something?

And I've heard from knowledgable Iranians and the name Azerbaijan is actually the evolved version of the Iranian name "Atropatene", which was the name of the province during the Persian Empire, and means "land of fire" in Old Persian.

Yes, it was part of iran. Later the language became a local persian dialect adar-pahlavi (pahlavi means middle persian).

You can read about the name here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_name_Azerbaijan

Who the origins of the qashqais I don't know unfortunately ...

[Iranianazeri]

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Who is Zarathustra?

The prophet of the zoroastrian religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarathustra

[Էլիա]

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The prophet of the zoroastrian religion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarathustra

Oh, thanks.