Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

All Armenians should emphasize the following whenever bs such as the above comment by the fake "Persians".

You have a more serious problem than that. There is no way to go back to "good old days" with Azeri regime in Tehran. You should be warned about the rise of Azeri Pan Turkism in Iran.

[TomServo]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Oh, nobody ever answered my question: when was the last Armenian state. Did it have a King? Queen? Who was it? Would be nice to know, that's all.

I'm guessing Cilicia?

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

I have Oghuz Turk ancestors? That would explain why everbody in Turkey thinks I'm Turkish!

I say Persian only because Persian is my mother tongue. I never spoke any Turkish except hearing Turkish from Turkish neighbours. (We also had Armenian neighbours in Iran, well actually just one, but never heard them speak Armenian).

I agree with you but I see in this a very good thing. Iran is a multi-ethnic state, but one where the sense of Iranian identity runs very deep. The Iranian state, not just nation but state, was founded in this form at least 500 years ago by Shah Ismail. No other country in the middle east is like this. Iran is the only country not created by policy makers drawing on maps and coming up with names in Paris, London, or Moscow.

The integration of Persian and Turkish (Azari) Iranians started in 1501 when Shah Ismail established the Safavi dynasty's rule. He in fact forced marriage between noble Persian and Turkish (Qizilbash) families. The result was an awesome empire that lasted until 1925.

Actually you do not know Iran's history. Azeri Turk Saffavids were so scared of Persians that they could murder them, that they imported Georgians from Georgia and married them. As far as I know Persians do not marry any Azeri Turks. Saffavids actually ended up in 1722 with mass murder of Azeri Turks in Isfahan with the alliance of Persians and Afghans. That is how Saffavid dynasty ended.

Many Azeri Turks in Tehran claim they are "Persians". So there is a lot of inter-marriage over "ethnic lines" between Azeri Turks and other Azeri Turks who claim to be "Persians". On this forum, Azeri Turks from Iran could not even tell how a Persian look like!!!!!

[skhara]

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This Artsakh M-artsakh makes no sense to Iranians.

Artsakh is the ancient name of the land. Conquering empires can give them whatever their own names they want -- Armenians will fight for for their own. The muslims in S Caucasus are invaders. They forced themselves on Armenians. Persians, in general, do not talk with any amount warmness when it comes to turks. "Khanate" is a creation of savages from the east.

[Lucin]

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I am glad that finally Armenians understood I am telling the truth about these Azeri Turks.

Guys, "Sattarkhan" is Oslonor. He does the same in various Persian sites, trying despererately to prove his "point" by imaginary dialogues with himself. Just ignore him.

(We also had Armenian neighbours in Iran, well actually just one, but never heard them speak Armenian).

You bloody liar, oslonor.

[skhara]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Well, actually the Russians did most of the fighting for you! And as long as Iran and Russia are allied in the way they are now (a marriage of convenience), then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Actually, Russians provided weapons -- and really not until 1993. Most of the fighting was done the local Armenian population. In fact, the entire population -- women, men well passed their prime, and teenagers included.

On the other hand, Azeris had major problems with desertion and morale inspite of their numerical superiority in both manpower and heavy weapons. They often abandoned weapons right in the field for Armenians to pick up. None of their behavior indicated that they had or felt any kind of attachment to the land.

Anyway, this conversation is useless. I know for a certain fact, there are plenty of circles within Iran that will be serious opposition to you.

[Armanen]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

The only joke is you, azeri f***, I have spoken with many true Persians, and they would side with an Armenian over a turkic orc anyday.

[crusader1492]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Guys, "Sattarkhan" is Oslonor. He does the same in various Persian sites, trying despererately to prove his "point" by imaginary dialogues with himself. Just ignore him.



You bloody liar, oslonor.

Can't the moderators track his IP and ban the Turk?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Thanks for the link, but your last "empire" was in 1375, basically under Byzantine protection and in the Southern Mediterranean .... and you claim Qarabaq as yours????? What a joke?

First of all, Cilician Armenia was not under Byzantine protection, it actually gained its full independence by driving the Byzantine garrisons out of the region under the leadership of Ruben I. Also, for centuries the Byzantines wanted Armenians to convert to Greek orthodoxy before they sent any military support to them, and Armenians never caved into their demands, which is why Cilician Armenia finally fell to the Egyptian Mameluks (which was not their only enemy, mind you).

And smart guy, even after Cilician Armenia fell, Karabagh was an independent principality enjoying full autonomy until the 16th century. And even after it lost its autonomy to the Safavid Persians, they still rose in arms and successfully defeated the Persian garrison and the invading Ottomans on more than one occasion, but the most famous instance of this involved an Armenian prince from Karabagh named David Bek, who led the Armenian forces to a string of successful victories while being hopelessly outnumbered. And also, during these centuries, Armenian nationalist sentiments were strongest in the region of Karabagh, where another Armenian prince of Karabagh named Israel Ori travelled throughout Europe to gain European support of Armenia's independence from Safavid and Ottoman Empires (with the full knowledge of Armenian rulers and ecclesiastic elite of Safavid Armenia). He began his journey around 1680, travelling throughout Austria, Germany, Italian city-states, France (where he became an officer in their army in order to gain military knowledge for a future Armenian independence movement), and Russia (where he was also deeply involved in their political and military spheres), and where he finally died in the early 18th century at the Caspian port city of Astrakhan.

In the following centuries, Karabagh was an autonomous region within the Russian Empire.


And in case you have amnesia (or are just talking out of your ass, as I suspect), throughout the entirety of the Soviet Union, Karabagh was still an autonomous region with a clear Armenian majority, which answered directly to Moscow, not to Baku. Their seccession was also fully legal, as Soviet law drafted in the early 1990's states that any Soviet autonomous region can break away either from the Soviet Union itself, or from a republic which declares its independence from the Soviet Union (in this case, Azerbaijan).


And it seems your 'evaluation' of Persian attitude towards Armenians is just as misguided as your knowledge of Armenian history. Every Persian I have met not only has nothing but good things to say about Armenians, most of them have close friends that are Armenian.

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Can't the moderators track his IP and ban the Turk?

Very good idea. To Moderator: Could you please inform these people that Oslonor is not the same as SattarKhan. We are probably in entirely different continents.

Secondly Armenian on the Armenian Hyestan forum in Armenia has welcomed me very warmly. I do not understand the reason for your attitude here. The forum is in Russian.